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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8393116" data-attributes="member: 83242">I think the issue is clear - your imagination. I am not trying to throw shade or be sarcastic here.&nbsp; The issue is with your veiwpoint / imagination of what a D&amp;D game should be and how to play that way in 4e. There is nothing that you can't do in 4e that you can do in 5e or any other edition.&nbsp; 4e gives great tools for improv.As I mentioned before, I ran a 4e game that was complete improv. No powers, just the players imagination.&nbsp; Now, what I didn't tell was the reason I did this.&nbsp; I had new players (new to D&amp;D &amp; RPGs) and I wanted to show them they were not restricted to the actions described in their powers, that those were only starting points. That instead of looking at the power, just tell me what you want to do.&nbsp; After that adventure we went back to our regular game.&nbsp; About half them fell back into their old habits (just using powers), but the other half took up the improv mantra.&nbsp; Some people have the imagination to use 4e to its fullest, others don't.&nbsp; That is OK, but that is not the game's issue IMO, it is a player / DM issue.&nbsp; To be clear, I found the game fun either way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8393116, member: 83242"] I think the issue is clear - your imagination. I am not trying to throw shade or be sarcastic here. The issue is with your veiwpoint / imagination of what a D&D game should be and how to play that way in 4e. There is nothing that you can't do in 4e that you can do in 5e or any other edition. 4e gives great tools for improv. As I mentioned before, I ran a 4e game that was complete improv. No powers, just the players imagination. Now, what I didn't tell was the reason I did this. I had new players (new to D&D & RPGs) and I wanted to show them they were not restricted to the actions described in their powers, that those were only starting points. That instead of looking at the power, just tell me what you want to do. After that adventure we went back to our regular game. About half them fell back into their old habits (just using powers), but the other half took up the improv mantra. Some people have the imagination to use 4e to its fullest, others don't. That is OK, but that is not the game's issue IMO, it is a player / DM issue. To be clear, I found the game fun either way. [/QUOTE]

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