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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8394651" data-attributes="member: 82504">For me it directly supports the more epic story with epic advancement which is what I do not feel 5e really supports.&nbsp; The very idea of player input on their characters destiny were explicitly removed because....DM is god in 5e did you miss the memo?Also awesome for you.&nbsp; DM facing vs Player facing game design choices are very real and 4e finally started giving players their own in game way of saying this is what I want my character to be and become and experience and even this is the magic items I picture highlighting my character with. I had players let me know (*asked them) what kinds of magic items they would like for their characters way back in 1e and 4e started teaching that trick. But of course that idea of player empowerment too was removed from 5e.This is 1e all over again where to have a fighter that wasnt blah you had to get the DM to make it so.Also the supernatural gifts of Theros I just looked at read like taking a 4e race without any feat support.&nbsp; [ATTACH=full]143476[/ATTACH]Honestly I do not mind seeing how you make 5e work for you I have been taking notes in general on any thread about making 5e more epic and the like.&nbsp; If you don't see the things I do which limit 5e for me and often they seem ones that 5e intentionally removed from the game which affect how I see it then your techniques wont help me LOL, you do not care about attribute levels (to me they feed into epic stunts)It is I am sure much like someone else wonders how 4e served your 1e flavor of D&amp;D when it couldnt for them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8394651, member: 82504"] For me it directly supports the more epic story with [B]epic advancement [/B]which is what I do not feel 5e really supports[B]. [/B] [B]The very idea of player input on their characters destiny were explicitly removed because...[/B]. [B] DM is god in 5e did you miss the memo?[/B] Also awesome for you. DM facing vs Player facing game design choices are very real and 4e finally started giving players their own in game way of saying this is what I want my character to be and become and experience and even this is the magic items I picture highlighting my character with. I had players let me know (*asked them) what kinds of magic items they would like for their characters way back in 1e and 4e started teaching that trick. But of course that idea of player empowerment too was removed from 5e. This is 1e all over again where to have a fighter that wasnt blah you had to get the DM to make it so. Also the supernatural gifts of Theros I just looked at read like taking a 4e race without any feat support. [ATTACH type="full"]143476[/ATTACH] Honestly I do not mind seeing how you make 5e work for you I have been taking notes in general on any thread about making 5e more epic and the like. If you don't see the things I do which limit 5e for me and often they seem ones that 5e intentionally removed from the game which affect how I see it then your techniques wont help me LOL, you do not care about attribute levels (to me they feed into epic stunts) It is I am sure much like someone else wonders how 4e served your 1e flavor of D&D when it couldnt for them. [/QUOTE]

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