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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jessemock" data-source="post: 1289461" data-attributes="member: 15694">Yes; and what I'm getting at is that this application of Appearance implies that natural, purely physical Beauty is something a character with a high Appearance score may not have:  Appearance, in other words, may already be a disguise.As to the question of personality traits, behaviours, etc.--indeed; that's definitely a part of any disguise, and this, in some way justifies the use of Charisma as the key ability for the skill, but there remain a couple of difficulties:1)  This suggests that a person with a strong, charismatic persona is always a good actor.2)  This suggests that it's more important to act like an orc than to look like one.  An elf with no cosmetic training, perhaps even with no cosmetics, can waltz into an orc camp, growl around, eat something raw, punch a couple of guys, and get away with it (cultural problem, too:  she can do this, because, among elves, she's known for her extraordinary wry wit--wha?).Unless you want to recognise that Ms. Spear's look lies decidedly on the wrong side of natural.  We may even take this a bit further and (strange turn for an internet discussion) actually suggest that certain aspects of Ms. Spear's assets have been enhanced by precisely the same prosthetic means one would use to replicate, say, the odd mass of an orc.In short, try for a moment to consider that one arrives at one's appearance through Work and that it's not too crazy to suppose that creating one kind of beauty isn't too far from creating another. This is also another effect that the BoEF has applied to Appearance, except that they continue with the D&D/Tolkienesque tradition of identifying culture with race.Myself, I'd be interested to see developments of reaction tables based on appearance and then on charisma.  Appearance would determine the intial reaction and Charisma would either profit from or have to overcome these first impressions.</blockquote>

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