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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GlassJaw" data-source="post: 2170609" data-attributes="member: 22103">Well I'm not sure what you mean by "familiar".  I've played 3ed since it came out and do most of the modifier calculations for all the players in my head.  The tactical and modifier-heavy nature just make it slower system than others.  Trust me, when I run 3.5, I push my players a LOT in combat to keep the pace up.  I do so many of modifiers in my head so it keeps moving.Very true.  The lack of magic, especially magic items, makes a huge difference.  Good call.Perhaps but level-based system are more susceptible IMO.If I had a choice, I would probably play d6 but nostalgia and the fact that's it's not d20 would be factors in the decision.  I play a lot of d20 and I get burned out easily.But yeah, I have a couple of friends/fellow gamers who are adamantly opposed to d20 SW.  It gets close to the level of anger that the thought of d20 Shadowrun brings up (almost, but not quite).  I like both systems though and would enjoy playing either.</blockquote>