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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 157837" data-attributes="member: 114">Thanks for the feedback. As I said, I haven't thought through all the spell ramifications by half <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Some of the ideas I'm less happy with than others, but I included them all for &quot;completeness&quot;! Reduce spell being a case in point - as you note, almost all combat is taking place at close range anyway. Perhaps if it reduced a spell to 25ft range? That would be seriously close!This is one of the few which I actually think works out well (and is actually in line with the DMG guidelines - a 2nd level arcane spell could do up to 10d6 to a single target or 5d6 to multiple targets). As a third level fireball it could do that damage to a couple of dozen targets, so the tradeoff seems very fair.IMC I introduced a metamagic feat &quot;MASS SPELL&quot; which turns a single target spell into a spell that affects one target per caster level (all within 30ft of each other) at a cost of +3 levels. This matches up with almost all the &quot;mass&quot; spells and strikes me as a better fit than a &quot;chain&quot; metamagic which was published, for instance.Back on topic - other good examples for the Singleton feat would be Singleton Slow (to affect just one target) or Singleton Horrid Withering.Generally I make the benefits from downscaling somewhat less than the benefits from upscaling, since the possibility of abuse and multiple use of lower spell slots increases.I just thought of another one!Slowen spell - A Slowened (ugh!) spell takes much longer to cast. A single action spell takes 1 full round to cast (like Monster Summoning). A full round spell takes an additional full round to cast. Slowened metamagics cannot be stacked upon each other, a spell can only be slowened once. It is prepared as 1 spell slot lower.Cheers</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 157837, member: 114"] Thanks for the feedback. As I said, I haven't thought through all the spell ramifications by half :) Some of the ideas I'm less happy with than others, but I included them all for "completeness"! Reduce spell being a case in point - as you note, almost all combat is taking place at close range anyway. Perhaps if it reduced a spell to 25ft range? That would be seriously close! This is one of the few which I actually think works out well (and is actually in line with the DMG guidelines - a 2nd level arcane spell could do up to 10d6 to a single target or 5d6 to multiple targets). As a third level fireball it could do that damage to a couple of dozen targets, so the tradeoff seems very fair. IMC I introduced a metamagic feat "MASS SPELL" which turns a single target spell into a spell that affects one target per caster level (all within 30ft of each other) at a cost of +3 levels. This matches up with almost all the "mass" spells and strikes me as a better fit than a "chain" metamagic which was published, for instance. Back on topic - other good examples for the Singleton feat would be Singleton Slow (to affect just one target) or Singleton Horrid Withering. Generally I make the benefits from downscaling somewhat less than the benefits from upscaling, since the possibility of abuse and multiple use of lower spell slots increases. I just thought of another one! [b]Slowen spell[/b] - A Slowened (ugh!) spell takes much longer to cast. A single action spell takes 1 full round to cast (like Monster Summoning). A full round spell takes an additional full round to cast. Slowened metamagics cannot be stacked upon each other, a spell can only be slowened once. It is prepared as 1 spell slot lower. Cheers [/QUOTE]

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