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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 155327" data-attributes="member: 545">Re: Killing Shaft with an AoOThere is a subtle but very important difference.Shaft may not gain any benefit from Idiot if an Ogre drops Idiot with one shot and then Cleaves, but Shaft has not been put at any disadvatage either.An AoO is quite different.&nbsp; Idiots action provokes an extra out of sequence attack that Shaft would not suffer if Idiot were not there.Consider a situation where Shaft is &quot;2 hits from death&quot;, Idiot is &quot;1 hit from death&quot; and the Ogre is &quot;2 hits from death&quot;.Example 1:Shaft and Idiot blunder into an Ogre.Shaft attacks, hits Ogre.Idiots attempts to flee.Ogre his Idiot with AoO, then hits Shaft.Ogre attacks Shaft and hits.&nbsp; Shaft is now dead.Example 2:Shaft alone blunders into an Ogre.Shaft attacks, hits Ogre.Ogre attacks, hits Shaft.Shaft attacks, hits Ogre.Ogre is now dead.Example 3:Shaft and Idiot blunder into an Ogre.Shaft attacks, hits Ogre.Idiots does nothing.Ogre attacks Idiot.&nbsp; Kills Idiot.&nbsp; Then hits Shaft.Shaft attacks, hits Ogre.Ogre is now dead.In the first example, the action of Idiot actually directly Shaft to be killed.&nbsp; As you can see, contrary to your suggestion, example 3 is not the same as example 1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 155327, member: 545"] [b]Re: Killing Shaft with an AoO[/b] There is a subtle but very important difference. Shaft may not gain any benefit from Idiot if an Ogre drops Idiot with one shot and then Cleaves, but Shaft has not been put at any disadvatage either. An AoO is quite different. Idiots action provokes [i]an extra out of sequence attack[/i] that Shaft would not suffer if Idiot were not there. Consider a situation where Shaft is "2 hits from death", Idiot is "1 hit from death" and the Ogre is "2 hits from death". Example 1: Shaft and Idiot blunder into an Ogre. Shaft attacks, hits Ogre. Idiots attempts to flee. Ogre his Idiot with AoO, then hits Shaft. Ogre attacks Shaft and hits. Shaft is now dead. Example 2: Shaft [i]alone[/i] blunders into an Ogre. Shaft attacks, hits Ogre. Ogre attacks, hits Shaft. Shaft attacks, hits Ogre. Ogre is now dead. Example 3: Shaft and Idiot blunder into an Ogre. Shaft attacks, hits Ogre. Idiots does nothing. Ogre attacks Idiot. Kills Idiot. Then hits Shaft. Shaft attacks, hits Ogre. Ogre is now dead. In the first example, the action of Idiot actually directly Shaft to be killed. As you can see, contrary to your suggestion, example 3 is not the same as example 1. [/QUOTE]

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