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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2749994" data-attributes="member: 2011">Yes, some people do. You, evidentally, do not.Firelance has a real fairness problem with AoO and Cleave. Hence, one reason we have such a long discussion here.The player in my game had a problem with attacking someone from behind and them getting a free attack on him when he did it. He had SUCH a problem with this going from 2E to 3E that he quit playing for several years.Just because you can suspend your belief and allow fantastic imaginative weird events to occur when you are gaming does not mean that everyone else can or will or wants to.Just because you have no problem with a PC Monk carrying 50 pounds making a 35 foot running long jump over a pit does not mean that other people do not have a problem with it, even though we are talking a fantasy game here. That's a physically impossible task in the real world and some people might be uncomfortable with non-magical skills giving characters magical sounding abilities in a fantasy world. Other players have no problem with this.Hence, getting back to my previous point, just because one person can describe how Cleave off AoO works for them does not mean that a description like that will change someone else's point of view as to whether it is fair or not (or even reasonable to have happen, even in a fantasy game).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2749994, member: 2011"] Yes, some people do. You, evidentally, do not. Firelance has a real fairness problem with AoO and Cleave. Hence, one reason we have such a long discussion here. The player in my game had a problem with attacking someone from behind and them getting a free attack on him when he did it. He had SUCH a problem with this going from 2E to 3E that he quit playing for several years. Just because you can suspend your belief and allow fantastic imaginative weird events to occur when you are gaming does not mean that everyone else can or will or wants to. Just because you have no problem with a PC Monk carrying 50 pounds making a 35 foot running long jump over a pit does not mean that other people do not have a problem with it, even though we are talking a fantasy game here. That's a physically impossible task in the real world and some people might be uncomfortable with non-magical skills giving characters magical sounding abilities in a fantasy world. Other players have no problem with this. Hence, getting back to my previous point, just because one person can describe how Cleave off AoO works for them does not mean that a description like that will change someone else's point of view as to whether it is fair or not (or even reasonable to have happen, even in a fantasy game). [/QUOTE]

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