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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 2751628" data-attributes="member: 16285">You can’t use a cleave (or any of the cleave tree) off of a whirlwind attack.From the SRD:The corresponding text in the PHB specifically mentions cleave as an example of something that can’t be done with a whirlwind attack.Since the rules specifically allow a cleave to be done off of an AoO it comes apparently down to people have problems with the “logic” of it all. Now as far as logic goes with allowing a cleave attack off of an AoO – it depends on how you envision the cleave attack working.&nbsp; I see the extra attack off of a cleave as a continuation of the first cleave. That is the attacker is using his momentum to take the extra swing and this is allowed because of his training in downing many foes (which is why it is a feat). So the supplemental defender is not creating the opening but the attacker is creating it by his own attack style. IMO this logic extends to explain why cleave can’t be used with whirlwind attack – the style of continuation of the attack (the reason the whirlwind attack works) fights the continuation (or movement of the swing) of the cleave attack and so only one can be done at a time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 2751628, member: 16285"] You can’t use a cleave (or any of the cleave tree) off of a whirlwind attack. From the SRD: The corresponding text in the PHB specifically mentions cleave as an example of something that can’t be done with a whirlwind attack. Since the rules specifically allow a cleave to be done off of an AoO it comes apparently down to people have problems with the “logic” of it all. Now as far as logic goes with allowing a cleave attack off of an AoO – it depends on how you envision the cleave attack working. I see the extra attack off of a cleave as a continuation of the first cleave. That is the attacker is using his momentum to take the extra swing and this is allowed because of his training in downing many foes (which is why it is a feat). So the supplemental defender is not creating the opening but the attacker is creating it by his own attack style. IMO this logic extends to explain why cleave can’t be used with whirlwind attack – the style of continuation of the attack (the reason the whirlwind attack works) fights the continuation (or movement of the swing) of the cleave attack and so only one can be done at a time. [/QUOTE]

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