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<blockquote data-quote="Goolpsy" data-source="post: 2752396" data-attributes="member: 31769">&quot;Well the NPC can also use it, so its fair&quot; - Im sorry but thats like the worst argument ever.So everything is fair as long as NPC's can use it too?So if I were to make a Magic missile that did 2000d4 damage per missile.. and theres 800 missiles (still a level 1 spell)You're saying that it would be balanced just because an NPC can use it too?Anyway.. I Agree with Firelance... why should A drop his guards.. really..?Then lets turn it around.. If A drops his guards when C is attacking B, then in theory (for fairness, justice and reality) C would lower his defence as he is attacking B so, A should get an AOO on C...This is a discusion of the Rules.. Its okay to post houserules here as long as they are PURELY ment as HOUSERULES, instead of basing huge theories on them.In 950 out of 1000 cases it wouldn't matter if could make a Cleave on an AOO..But there isn't any rules suporting this though. On the contrary there isn't any rules saying that can't... which give us the problem.Posts as: &quot;It didn't matter much in our game with that *semi-houserule*&quot; doesn't answer the question acording to the rules.If the campaigns were played a specific way.. it wouldn't even matter if you make an UBER magic missile.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Goolpsy, post: 2752396, member: 31769"] "Well the NPC can also use it, so its fair" - Im sorry but thats like the worst argument ever. So everything is fair as long as NPC's can use it too? So if I were to make a Magic missile that did 2000d4 damage per missile.. and theres 800 missiles (still a level 1 spell) You're saying that it would be balanced just because an NPC can use it too? Anyway.. I Agree with Firelance... why should A drop his guards.. really..? Then lets turn it around.. If A drops his guards when C is attacking B, then in theory (for fairness, justice and reality) C would lower his defence as he is attacking B so, A should get an AOO on C... This is a discusion of the Rules.. Its okay to post houserules here as long as they are PURELY ment as HOUSERULES, instead of basing huge theories on them. In 950 out of 1000 cases it wouldn't matter if could make a Cleave on an AOO.. But there isn't any rules suporting this though. On the contrary there isn't any rules saying that can't... which give us the problem. Posts as: "It didn't matter much in our game with that *semi-houserule*" doesn't answer the question acording to the rules. If the campaigns were played a specific way.. it wouldn't even matter if you make an UBER magic missile. [/QUOTE]

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