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<blockquote data-quote="Madriver" data-source="post: 698100" data-attributes="member: 9540"><p>Ouch, I'm no troll.</p><p></p><p>Yes, if you drink a potion and draw an AoO then you are foolish, in most cases you can step back 5ft and drink it safely. Same with the bow.</p><p></p><p>And as for the logic, it's called the Cleave feat. By what logic should I get an attack on you on my normal attack action if I drop the guy next to you? It's because I have successfully used a feat that I have selected and sacrificed for.</p><p></p><p>Most of the arguments here seem to be with people who don't like Cleave, not a cleave off of an AoO. The theory behind cleave (or my take on it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) is that the fighter uses such a powerful swing (Power Attack is a prerequisite) that they can attack another opponent they threaten when they drop the first one. If this is acceptable during a normal attack, why should an AoO be any different? It is still a melee attack performed by the same character. Why can I Trip, Disarm, Power Attack (if declared at the beginning of my action), etc. but not cleave on a AoO? Why does a 16 DEX 1st level reach weapon fighter with Combat Reflexes get 4 extra attacks when bum rushed, but my staple fighter is denied a Cleave?</p><p></p><p>Riddle me that Batman. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Madriver, post: 698100, member: 9540"] Ouch, I'm no troll. Yes, if you drink a potion and draw an AoO then you are foolish, in most cases you can step back 5ft and drink it safely. Same with the bow. And as for the logic, it's called the Cleave feat. By what logic should I get an attack on you on my normal attack action if I drop the guy next to you? It's because I have successfully used a feat that I have selected and sacrificed for. Most of the arguments here seem to be with people who don't like Cleave, not a cleave off of an AoO. The theory behind cleave (or my take on it :) ) is that the fighter uses such a powerful swing (Power Attack is a prerequisite) that they can attack another opponent they threaten when they drop the first one. If this is acceptable during a normal attack, why should an AoO be any different? It is still a melee attack performed by the same character. Why can I Trip, Disarm, Power Attack (if declared at the beginning of my action), etc. but not cleave on a AoO? Why does a 16 DEX 1st level reach weapon fighter with Combat Reflexes get 4 extra attacks when bum rushed, but my staple fighter is denied a Cleave? Riddle me that Batman. :) [/QUOTE]
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