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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Madriver" data-source="post: 698474" data-attributes="member: 9540">On the same note, why does a melee attack against someone else 15ft away that drops them allow an attack on you? That is cleave.  How about limiting cleave in general so that the cleave has to attempt to hit someone adjacent to the creature you dropped?Again, that is a beef with cleave and not with gaining a cleave from a AoO.The loophole is only there if the DM allows it. Like "the bag of rats" it is the DM's responsibility to tell the player when they are bending the rules, I just don't believe that cleave and AoO's goes that far.The only time you would have a problem retreating is if the creature had a 10ft reach, and then it is up to the characters to be aware of the dangers and plan accordingly.I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I don't believe in nerfing a legitimate ability that the PC has sacrificed for, just because it may give him an extra attack he otherwise might not have...even though that was the point he took the feat. Plus, there is no way I can rationalize someone getting a cleave off of a regular attack and not off of an AoO, it just doesn't make sense. The best I can do is what I mentioned above, limit the cleave to adjacent monsters, but even that is pushing it in my book.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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