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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SevenSir" data-source="post: 700937" data-attributes="member: 10476">Cleave with piercing weaponA thousand apologies if this is covered in the rest of your posts on this thread, but my search for piercing came up empty.  A half-dozen apologies if it's been addressed on another thread (but for that I feel less apologetic because this forum won't let me search for posts without a membership fee (is that as ludicrous as it seems?)).Simply for my descriptions of combat to my players ("he clips your arm with his greataxe, you take 2"), how in the world do you cleave with a peircing weapon?  I can't imagine using a piercing weapon with other than a direct, thrusting motion, and I can't see how a pc might "cleave" through to an adjacent opponent.  He'd have to redirect the direction of his momentum by ninety degrees, and this just seems completely inconsisten with the "momentum" interpretation of cleave.[spiked chain would be an exception, since a sort of "rake" action would be possible, and would make a cleave attack emininently logical]I was planning to rule that the feat (and its big ugly brother) were simply not usable with piercing weapons.  This eliminates the majority of the reach weapons, I think, but I would not be opposed to a players request to cleave with a glaive.From what I read above, AoO cleaving is something I'll try to eliminate from my group's play, once they reach cleave levels.  It's wholely unreasonable to think that a single foe's "leaving himself open [to attack]" would entitle a character to an attack on an enemy who is actively defending himself.</blockquote>

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