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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Madriver" data-source="post: 703434" data-attributes="member: 9540">I uderstand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> A cleave is a cleave. Why does it make sense that if I drop the bowman to your left during my regular attack that I should also get an attack on you? During a normal attack you're on your guard, so why do I get an attack against you if I drop someone else? Because that is how cleave works.In my view, it is more ridiculous to take an ability that most people agree with, and limit it's power.Ridley's Cohort doesn't like the combination mainly becuase (or so I take it) it can put party members in a very bad situation if they are dropping in HP's and their opponent has cleave. I agree that it makes it harder on the party, but I don't think it is enough justification to limit the ability.And you can't really step away from the rules too much, because if you did then the whole system wouldn't make sense.  Cleave is not an AoO, it is an attack bonus given by a feat, whether from an attack of opportunity or not. Your finishing blow is so strong that you can continue it to another opponent in the same swing, whether they had their guard down or not.So...in my mind I don't see the justification for limiting the ability from within the rules. And from standing outside the rules, if you can't see a cleave attack coming from an AoO, then it seems a little strange that you can see a cleave attack happening at all. It is the same type of action, a powerful blow that results in an additional attack on the backswing or continuation of a swing (however you decide to describe it).I understood your reasoning from the beginning, I just don't agree with it. If you allow cleave, then (in my mind) you should allow cleave off of an AoO, because they are the same action.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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