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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SevenSir" data-source="post: 705276" data-attributes="member: 10476">Re: Cleave with piercing weaponThanks for addressing my question, Hypersmurf.  I mentioned it to my first DM yesterday, and his explanation of a piercing cleave was wholely different.Although he accompanied it with impressive pantomimes, the gist of his understanding of a cleave with a spear was that the cleaver would be wielding the spear with the traditional oriental "slashing from side to side" motion.  If you don't know what I mean by this, the best I can do to explain it is to say that it's the way the kung fu master and Jackie Chan face off with spears under a [stopped] train in the beginning of The Legend of Drunken Master.  Unfortunately, this motion is something I would consider to be an attempt to do slashing damage with a piercing weapon.  I'd allow the attempt of course, but with an attack penalty.  Because slashing damage would have been dealt, a cleave attempt would naturally be permissable, and my "no piercing cleave" ruling would stand.Your interpretation is a little less physical, and that makes it harder to rule against.  It seems slightly against the concept of a "cleave," as though it would call for some other name for the feat.  Otherwise, it is reasonable.  It would also save me from trying to find a lot of ways of telling my fighter that he's hacked all the way through a body and into another.I also brought the issue of whether AoO cleaving would be overpowered to my fighter (he's level 2 now, and looking forward to cleaving.)  He said he'd have the cleave feat only in effect on his action, because it represents a specific effort, not just a relfexive smack.  Since he's agreed to that ruling and nobody else is looking at cleave, I'm happy to say that the issue is at rest for my group.</blockquote>

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