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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2722258" data-attributes="member: 31734">No problem.  In actuality, I think trading a few attacks of opporunity would be pretty neat, much like Patryn illustrated. There might be a thread, but I don't have search capability.  I could be thinking of other forums.  Anyway, since you asked and are the original poster, let me briefly describe both sides.  The assumption here is that you plan to take a full attack action and have BAB +6 or higher.Sunder is a Standard ActionSunder is a standard action because it's listed as such in the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#standardActions" target="_blank">standard actions table</a>.Sunder is a Melee AttackNote that Attack (melee) is also listed as a standard action in the table, but the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#fullAttack" target="_blank">full attack action</a> let's you take more than one per round, which is an exception to the one standard action per round rule (except for Hyper chokers, of course <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />).  Because Sunder specifically says "You can use a melee attack ..." I (and others who support my position) argue that Sunder can be used in a full attack action in place of the regular melee attack action.  Even if one views this as a conflict between the Sunder text and the table, text takes precedence.Rebuttal for Sunder is a Standard ActionNone of the other special attacks (that specify as "melee attack") are listed on the Standard Actions table, so the same equivalency of Sunder==Melee Attack cannot be made as it is for disarm or trip.  Additionally, there is the footnote under the Miscellaneous Actions table specifically and only for disarm, grapple, and trip that says "These attack forms substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity. "Patryn, is that succinct and accurate? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Edit: Added footnote.</blockquote>

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