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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Denaes" data-source="post: 2527567" data-attributes="member: 33738">You're right... and another reason why I don't like d20 Modern. I just realized that. Your defense bonus from levels (and other mobility based bonuses) is an active defense and shouldn't apply if you're flat footed. It's not making your skin tougher, it's letting you move a bit faster or more precisely or react faster. By definition of being flatfooted, you don't know whats going on and don't get your dex bonuses. Clearly logic dictates that you don't get your defense bonus for reacting to danger when you can't react to danger (there is a houserule I would make for d20 Modern), but the rule says otherwise. So there isn't any arguing with that. True20 and Spycraft 2.0 (the only other games I've read that give level dependant defense bonuses) both make it clear that the defense gained through dodge/dex/levels is not applicable for your flatfooted defense. So, I take that back. Unless you houseruled in the mobility based defense bonuses to be dropped with Flatfooting, it wouldn't be a very good alternate method at all.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>