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<blockquote data-quote="Zenon" data-source="post: 303573" data-attributes="member: 352"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AoO, invisibility and spell casting</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By the exact wording of the text, you are correct. </p><p></p><p>However, I equate AoO's in my mind like HeavyG said, and he also points out the loophole in the current wording of AoOs (which is the lack of restriction of when you can take them):</p><p></p><p></p><p>However, I can kind of support it also with some other rules:</p><p></p><p>You do not threaten an area if you are flat-footed and cannot make AoOs unless you have Combat Reflexes. You are denied your Dex bonus while flat-footed, unless you have Uncanny Dodge. (PHB pg 278 Flat-footed definition; PHB pg 25 Uncanny Dodge; PHB pg 80 Combat Reflexes)</p><p></p><p>Against an invisible opponent you are denied you Dex bonus. (PHB pg 132 Table 8-8 subnote on Attacker Invisible referencing that Defender loses Dex bonus to AC)</p><p></p><p>From these two rules, if you are denied your Dex bonus, you also lose the ability to take an AoO. Since against an invisible attacker you lose your Dex bonus, I can draw a parallel, and also see that you may lose the ability to perform AoOs, unless you are able to realize what is happening without being able to see it, and then would still have to choose the square and take the 50% miss chance anyway.</p><p></p><p>It's what make sense to me, YMMV. This is truly a case of adjucating what would happen. The rules are in one of those "gray areas", and do not clearly state what conditions must be met in order to be able to take an AoO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zenon, post: 303573, member: 352"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AoO, invisibility and spell casting[/b] By the exact wording of the text, you are correct. However, I equate AoO's in my mind like HeavyG said, and he also points out the loophole in the current wording of AoOs (which is the lack of restriction of when you can take them): However, I can kind of support it also with some other rules: You do not threaten an area if you are flat-footed and cannot make AoOs unless you have Combat Reflexes. You are denied your Dex bonus while flat-footed, unless you have Uncanny Dodge. (PHB pg 278 Flat-footed definition; PHB pg 25 Uncanny Dodge; PHB pg 80 Combat Reflexes) Against an invisible opponent you are denied you Dex bonus. (PHB pg 132 Table 8-8 subnote on Attacker Invisible referencing that Defender loses Dex bonus to AC) From these two rules, if you are denied your Dex bonus, you also lose the ability to take an AoO. Since against an invisible attacker you lose your Dex bonus, I can draw a parallel, and also see that you may lose the ability to perform AoOs, unless you are able to realize what is happening without being able to see it, and then would still have to choose the square and take the 50% miss chance anyway. It's what make sense to me, YMMV. This is truly a case of adjucating what would happen. The rules are in one of those "gray areas", and do not clearly state what conditions must be met in order to be able to take an AoO. [/QUOTE]
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