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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 4071827" data-attributes="member: 41187">Point to a single thing in my post that was written with "rose-colored glasses."They'll generally have some (or one of their neighbors will, or someone will go get some, or they'll all die).  It won't be enough, and the first crop will go almost entirely to next year's seed crop.  But it's a start.  And that's what surviving an apocalypse is about, starting.What on Earth made you think I was saying otherwise?I said it would be possible to survive.  Not that it would be easy, safe, or any kind of enjoyable.Unless the survivors are industrious and knowledgable enough to start manufacturing replacements.  They won't be easy to make and they won't be as good as what's in use today but they'll be better than the yields of the 16th century.Further, more land will be brought into production than is currently in use, since there's less need for mini-malls and suburbs in the post-apoc world.It's really surprising how many U.S. farms are already converted over to electrical or natural gas powered vehicles, because those resources are locally available (wind power and local deposits) in cheap quantities.  So those farms will have the equipment to keep their yields up until they can arrange something that doesn't rely upon (now) irreplaceable parts.Yes, Stalin killed more of his people in five years than the entire third reich did, and he did it by starvation.How famine will be worse for subsistence farmers when there is no one stealing their food than it was when someone was stealing their food is something I can't imagine.  Maybe you can enlighten me.</blockquote>

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