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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JDJblatherings" data-source="post: 4071931" data-attributes="member: 52044">No insults meant at all. I just refered to a story/playstyle that wasn't grimly horribly realisitic as lokign at thigns thru rose colored galsses.If they don't have enough they eat all the crops and starve to death after that.  Most of the formerly good farmland near me is covered in housing developments or forest.  It'll be a lot of work before that land is useable for farming ever again.  If there is a nuclear winter or dust storm winter there will be no crop yields to speak of.If a whole lot people don't die right away there will be a LOT of people trying to steal everyones food. Large enough pockets of survivors and there will be governments of sorts that will be "stealing" from farmers.    How do you tend your fields when you have to seriously worry about a neighbor or vagabond stealng your food? Most westerners don't stockpile enough food.  The average area has enough food for 3 days.  It takes weeks to starve to death.  If only 1 in 100 people survive the apocalypse event then a city the size of new york will still have about 100,000 people looking for food.  Good luck to a small community trying to hold off that sort  of desperate population. Picture those poor folks in New Orleans during the katrina disaster, what would that have looked like if government and neighbor help never arrived? The whole planet could be that bad off if not worse.I'm with Tetsubo it's more fun to play PA adventuring  a long time after the fall of civilization and not to dwell too much on what generation 0 and 1 would have been like.</blockquote>

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