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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HinterWelt" data-source="post: 1605152" data-attributes="member: 14785">This is more common than you think. There are a number of retailers who will stop carrying your product or reduce their orders if it is available in PDF. A subset of these retailers will cease to carry your entire line if one book is pdf'd. In a way, I understand. They do not want to support a competitor. It is worse that it is a publisher that they would be competing against. A retailer cannot hope to compete with a company that can decrease their price under any hope of matching it in their stores.Now, I also think we have to acknowledge two different types of manufacturers. Those that a in the distribution channel and strictly PDF publishers.  Print mpublishers are forced into a certain pricing scheme if they are going to work with traditional distribution. PDF and non-traditional publishers (those outside the channels) can price lower since there are no middle men. They pay for this with less profits. I do not want to argue about whether it is more profitable to be outside the traditional distibution channels, that would be a different thread. Suffice it to say, the structure is CURRENTLY (meaning I do believe it is changing) in place to sell more throught he traditional channels than off your website.With that thought in mind, you want to alienate as few of the retailers as possible. They are going through a rough time right now as most are suffering at the hands of the following problems:1) Sales are down. Some think this is a result of PDFs, others of discounters, other that it is related to online retailing, and others yet believe it is to do with a "glut". Me, I think it is a little bit of everything.2)A transition, as any market goes through, is occuring in the RPG market. PDFs are something that most B&M retailers cannot deal with. While most customer oriented boards have been screaming about DRM and the evil publishers that use it, the manufacturer and retailer boards ahve been more focused on the fact DTRPG exists and that PDFs are gaining moment. I really think that Retailers fall into a couple of categories. There are those that don't know PDFs exist and are at a loss as to why sales are dropping, those that see PDFs as a direct threat to their business and feel they can keep the industry the way it is by threatening manufacturers, and those very few that are looking for ways to capitalize on the PDF "craze".3) Retailers who here "I can get that book fo 1/x of the print price and print it off at work for free" are getting tired of it. I have heard so many people talk about how they insist that want higher production values (and many still do) but they also want cheap. The market seems (and this is merely my opinion) to be very muddled rught now. Consumer demand is all over the place. This is a sign of change. Hopefully, it means more consumers coming into the market but we will see. Meanwhile, in a broader sense, manufacturers must be sensitive to consumer needs and retailer needs. If I offer my books for 50% off, the consumers will be happy. The retailers, who can only decrease the price to 50% at break even (if that), will be upset. Understandably so since they need to make money and have a thing called Cost of Goods Sold which is they Cost of Selling a manufacturer's Goods.In the end, it is not so easy just to say, I won't sell through Distribution. For small manufacturers, it is a way to build brand recognition. For big manufacturers, it is a way to make millions of dollars. I think things are changing though, and B&M retailers will need to change with them or close down. More and More manufacturers sell their stuff online at a discount, more PDFs at considerably less than the in print book, and more online retailers. All this means rough sailing ahead.Of course, this is all my opinion coupled with my experiences, toake them for what you will. Bill</blockquote>

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