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<blockquote data-quote="Ximenes088" data-source="post: 4189017" data-attributes="member: 59899">In 4e, Defenders look like they're going to be doing at least as much single-target damage as the wizards, if not more. They'll also usually be the last ones down unless the party's about to die, because if your enemies are tough enough to take out your front line, they're certainly tough enough to chew the rest of the party to pieces.As for Justicars and Stormwardens, I don't see any issues. They're prestige paths for two completely different purposes. You can't put a hide-armored Stormwarden in the front lines and expect him to cope with paragon-level brutes, and you can't rely on a paladin-based Justicar to shred everything around him. The Stormwarden's abilities are minimally useful for a defender, whereas the ability to take an enemy's area-effect attack and move the entire thing onto him and him alone is golden. Note the wording- the power eliminates _all_ other targets of the effect and moves it all onto the paladin. Since the paladin is extremely likely to have at least one shot of his Lay On Hands left, he can then minor-action heal himself afterwards and be much more likely to remain standing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ximenes088, post: 4189017, member: 59899"] In 4e, Defenders look like they're going to be doing at least as much single-target damage as the wizards, if not more. They'll also usually be the last ones down unless the party's about to die, because if your enemies are tough enough to take out your front line, they're certainly tough enough to chew the rest of the party to pieces. As for Justicars and Stormwardens, I don't see any issues. They're prestige paths for two completely different purposes. You can't put a hide-armored Stormwarden in the front lines and expect him to cope with paragon-level brutes, and you can't rely on a paladin-based Justicar to shred everything around him. The Stormwarden's abilities are minimally useful for a defender, whereas the ability to take an enemy's area-effect attack and move the entire thing onto him and him alone is golden. Note the wording- the power eliminates _all_ other targets of the effect and moves it all onto the paladin. Since the paladin is extremely likely to have at least one shot of his Lay On Hands left, he can then minor-action heal himself afterwards and be much more likely to remain standing. [/QUOTE]

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