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<blockquote data-quote="Zad" data-source="post: 1250440" data-attributes="member: 90">Yep, that's why it's a neutral change unless players sink points into it, which your experience seems to suggest they do. The idea of getting a few points from it by sinking it is of course true, but again I was going off your experience indicating they didn't do that.&nbsp;&nbsp;Actually my rationale for calling it that was when you said My solution was to add a 7th stat that has ZERO game purpose. I read a lot into that - if you say it has zero game purpose, then to me it has zero purpose - i.e. reactions to people would still occur based on charisma rather than this &quot;attractiveness&quot; stat.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's all about fun. Heck if you can't watch your players scramble once in a while what fun is it being a DM? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zad, post: 1250440, member: 90"] Yep, that's why it's a neutral change unless players sink points into it, which your experience seems to suggest they do. The idea of getting a few points from it by sinking it is of course true, but again I was going off your experience indicating they didn't do that. Actually my rationale for calling it that was when you said [b]My solution was to add a 7th stat that has ZERO game purpose.[/b] I read a lot into that - if you say it has zero game purpose, then to me it has zero purpose - i.e. reactions to people would still occur based on charisma rather than this "attractiveness" stat. It's all about fun. Heck if you can't watch your players scramble once in a while what fun is it being a DM? ;) [/QUOTE]

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