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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8390904" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>It's an interesting checklist, and I probably do it more or less consciously, just pointing out a few things:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is the question as to whether the someone is hiding or not. Usually when checking this, that's the case, but they still need to have rolled for stealth at some point in the past. Even then, I sometimes use Passive Stealth, which is just how discreet someone is in general. For example scouting from afar, an orc might see that there are 4 noisy adventurers around a campfire, but might miss the rogue, naturally stealthy, in drab colours and avoiding light as a matter of reflexes.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You are absolutely right about the distance modifier. It's not something that the core 5e rule does or even support, but a DM at our tables just had us spotted by Winter Wolves from across a 100 meters chasm as if we had been right next to them, and it is a problem for verisimilitude, at least IMHO.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Searching observers are something a bit more for me than a guard doing his duty, it's someone actively searching and who would be using his action to search if he was in combat. I know the distinction that you are making there, but I would think it has to be a bit stronger than this for me.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I use automatic success and failure a lot, and passives as much as possible.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When someone rolls for stealth, he does so without seeing the result himself (hidden roll), that way he does not use the result to see whether to take risks or not, he always thinks that is is good.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8390904, member: 7032025"] It's an interesting checklist, and I probably do it more or less consciously, just pointing out a few things: [LIST] [*]There is the question as to whether the someone is hiding or not. Usually when checking this, that's the case, but they still need to have rolled for stealth at some point in the past. Even then, I sometimes use Passive Stealth, which is just how discreet someone is in general. For example scouting from afar, an orc might see that there are 4 noisy adventurers around a campfire, but might miss the rogue, naturally stealthy, in drab colours and avoiding light as a matter of reflexes. [*]You are absolutely right about the distance modifier. It's not something that the core 5e rule does or even support, but a DM at our tables just had us spotted by Winter Wolves from across a 100 meters chasm as if we had been right next to them, and it is a problem for verisimilitude, at least IMHO. [*]Searching observers are something a bit more for me than a guard doing his duty, it's someone actively searching and who would be using his action to search if he was in combat. I know the distinction that you are making there, but I would think it has to be a bit stronger than this for me. [*]I use automatic success and failure a lot, and passives as much as possible. [*]When someone rolls for stealth, he does so without seeing the result himself (hidden roll), that way he does not use the result to see whether to take risks or not, he always thinks that is is good. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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