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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4283992" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm sympathetic to the crowd of players that want to avoid bookkeeping, but speaking as an 'old school' player or DM I want to tell you what I think you give up by adopting the 3e and now 4e perspective on treasure.For me, you give up on being excited to find treasure.&nbsp; That, 'Woot! Woot! Loot!' feeling sems to go away.&nbsp; The problem with the 3rd edition approach is that treasure becomes something you expect to find, and not something you hope to find.&nbsp; The distinction I mean by this is subtle, and I don't know that I can get at it exactly, because obviously there is in any edition a rational expectation of finding lots of gold and some magic items.&nbsp; But in earlier editions the impression given was that treasure was something that had to be claimed through effort, where as in default 3e on, the impression I had as a player is that treasure was something which I had to recieve because the assumptions of the game expected me to get it.&nbsp; So in 1e, you might kill the monster and then say to yourself, &quot;Did we get any treasure?&nbsp; Is it hidden?&nbsp; Where can we find it?&quot;&nbsp; In 3e, you kill the monster and then expect that the treasure will be forked over without fuss because its something of a disaster if you don't get it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4283992, member: 4937"] I'm sympathetic to the crowd of players that want to avoid bookkeeping, but speaking as an 'old school' player or DM I want to tell you what I think you give up by adopting the 3e and now 4e perspective on treasure. For me, you give up on being excited to find treasure. That, 'Woot! Woot! Loot!' feeling sems to go away. The problem with the 3rd edition approach is that treasure becomes something you expect to find, and not something you hope to find. The distinction I mean by this is subtle, and I don't know that I can get at it exactly, because obviously there is in any edition a rational expectation of finding lots of gold and some magic items. But in earlier editions the impression given was that treasure was something that had to be claimed through effort, where as in default 3e on, the impression I had as a player is that treasure was something which I had to recieve because the assumptions of the game expected me to get it. So in 1e, you might kill the monster and then say to yourself, "Did we get any treasure? Is it hidden? Where can we find it?" In 3e, you kill the monster and then expect that the treasure will be forked over without fuss because its something of a disaster if you don't get it. [/QUOTE]

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