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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cptg1481" data-source="post: 1180833" data-attributes="member: 5360">Last One I PromiseThis is becoming silly....Ok, I have not cited sources....umm, not really relevant here I think.  I'm not about to go looking up references and such...Its a game folks.  Anyway, it is clear you do not accept my points and I would guess that enough material exists out there you to counter any point I make with a book title just as easy as I could find one to counter each of yours given the desire to do so.  My real life beckons!I know what I know, and that is one can not effectively lead, that is effectively maneuver and control the actions of a large number of troops, while engaged in a struggle for his life at the front.  This was just as true on a stone age hunting party, as it was in antiquity, as it is now, and as it always will be.  Been there done it.  I will not debate this point with someone who's never been there.In my studies of history I have found that if one selects the right sources and strategically disregards others he could make anything appear true.  Its as easy as twisting statistics to reflect the desired outcome.  Cynical, you bet....there is little if any real verifiable truth to most historical texts.  History is an art not a science.  There remains no one alive who can validate your claims or mine.  Books written by historians then and now always have an agenda therefore the information therein is suspect at best.  As for wars and the accounts of them, they were and are written in most part by the victors of said battles and maybe even scribes in the employ of all those spectacular generals of history themselves.  Suspect at best again.  Sure they were great their scribe wrote it down right here, see?Enough said on that...you either accept what I say or you don't, however, I doubt that you are likely to accept it under any circumstance.  So I'll not further waste my time.  To get back to the original question which was the most appropriate class or combinations thereof for a leader of a unit of 3000 men.  Appropriate to me being the combination most likely to produce a favorable outcome - in this case victory.  I still say that at this level (3000 soldiers) a Fighter/Expert with a heavy dose of skills like tactics, logistics, training and strategy is the best possible solution.  If the Marshal class is appropriate that's fine...don't have it myself so can't recommend it.  Sure there are exceptions to every rule and there are likely to be a good many charismatic sword swinging generals out there who just like to mix it up with the bad guys.  However, at the rear of that battle, if he wants to win that is, there is someone who is making the decisions about what to do next.  Therefore he, the one making the decisions about where, when, and how to deploy the troops in response to the enemy army's actions is actually the one "leading" the army/unit not the hot dog at the front.  He's simply fighting in a battle not leading an army/unit in battle.  This is mostly a stylistic debate, the originator of of the question can determine what is appropriate in his world from the responses given to his question.  S'mon and I have hijacked this horribly and for my part in that I am sorry....It was my intent to give you a good first hand account of what works in combat and what doesn't not a history lesson from books.  Take it for what its worth...use it or don't...it matters little to me.  To S'mon, perhaps I used poor word choice that led you to be so defensive about you position, this got way out of hand.  I don't validate my experiences for anyone....you either accept my position or you don't.  I think of it like this...I can't site a book and a page that contains the workings of the internal combustion engine but I can tell you that American cars for the most part suck.  Believe it or don't perhaps it'll save you some money in the long run.  I can't give you a book that says we won the Revolutionary War either but that does not make it a false statement - I just know we did.  You either believe me  or you don't.  I could care less either way.  I got tied up in this due to momentary insanity...can't think of any other reason I'd care about your responses, this is my first and last debate here.  So originator, take care, hope you have the information you need to make a good effective combat leader...just remember the best fighter may not always be the one who can keep a unit together and ensure that the victory conditions are met by responding to the actions of the enemy with decisive and well thought out actions/counter actions.  This is especially true if the same good fighter is surrounded by mêlée combatants fighting for his life at the front.  Captain G.  Since I am not going to look up and annotate my posts with footnotes, one can add In My Opinion (IMO) to everything.</blockquote>

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