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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5874314" data-attributes="member: 957">I wasn't presuming to count only those people who &quot;NEVER EVER EVER NEVER&quot; play and I'm fairly confident that WotC goal is not looking for making a game that a handful of people play consistently and most everyone else plays as well, but only once in a blue moon.&nbsp; I presumed that we were talking about an actual effort to make a *really* successful game.&nbsp; In that context I stand by my response.&nbsp; If the context is just &quot;NEVER EVER EVER NEVER&quot;, then I don't think your comment really means anything worthwhile.And if 4E was more popular, your odds of finding a group would be higher.&nbsp; That isn't to say they can't be found.&nbsp; But if 75% prefer blue groups and 25% prefer red groups then fans of blue who can only find red groups will be vastly less common than fans of red who can only find blue groups.And, I'll repeat a comment I've made several times lately.&nbsp; The whole &quot;I play with my friends and that is more important than system&quot; comment is completely lacking in substance.&nbsp;&nbsp; OF COURSE YOU DO!!&nbsp; So do I.&nbsp; I play with my friends.&nbsp; I always have.&nbsp; I always will.&nbsp; Ten years from now I'm going to be playing RPGs with my friends.&nbsp; And we will be playing the best system available.&nbsp; And I expect that pretty much everyone else out there will be also playing with their friends.&nbsp; &nbsp; WotC can't change that.&nbsp; WotC doesn't have any reason to even think about how or why they would.&nbsp; What WotC CAN do is make 5E the best game they can possibly make it so that groups of friends will choose THAT game over other options.&nbsp; Comments about how to make 5E be a better game are good.&nbsp; Comments about how it doesn't matter if 5E is better than other options because you play with friends are just so much empty smoke.I didn't say they will ignore their idea of quality.&nbsp; My point is, they won't.&nbsp; As a group those friends will pick game they, collectively, find to be the best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5874314, member: 957"] I wasn't presuming to count only those people who "NEVER EVER EVER NEVER" play and I'm fairly confident that WotC goal is not looking for making a game that a handful of people play consistently and most everyone else plays as well, but only once in a blue moon. I presumed that we were talking about an actual effort to make a *really* successful game. In that context I stand by my response. If the context is just "NEVER EVER EVER NEVER", then I don't think your comment really means anything worthwhile. And if 4E was more popular, your odds of finding a group would be higher. That isn't to say they can't be found. But if 75% prefer blue groups and 25% prefer red groups then fans of blue who can only find red groups will be vastly less common than fans of red who can only find blue groups. And, I'll repeat a comment I've made several times lately. The whole "I play with my friends and that is more important than system" comment is completely lacking in substance. OF COURSE YOU DO!! So do I. I play with my friends. I always have. I always will. Ten years from now I'm going to be playing RPGs with my friends. And we will be playing the best system available. And I expect that pretty much everyone else out there will be also playing with their friends. WotC can't change that. WotC doesn't have any reason to even think about how or why they would. What WotC CAN do is make 5E the best game they can possibly make it so that groups of friends will choose THAT game over other options. Comments about how to make 5E be a better game are good. Comments about how it doesn't matter if 5E is better than other options because you play with friends are just so much empty smoke. I didn't say they will ignore their idea of quality. My point is, they won't. As a group those friends will pick game they, collectively, find to be the best. [/QUOTE]

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