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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 5875509">this is simply a matter of preference. Some people enjoy a style of play where the prime consideration is the flow of the game itself and inconvenient issues related to realism are removed or greatly reduced. Of this works for you, i am fine with that. For me there is a serious believability issue with natural healing being instantaneous or nearly so. But magic doesn't present such an issue because the nature of magic is to alter reality. So there is the first issue.You raise an interesting point that heaing usually ends up falling on magic at a some point anyways. But for me that still ties in to the first point. I dont care if people are ultimately going to resort to magical heaing, what is important is that for instant to one day healing, magic be required because the disruption of disbelief for me is too great to handwave. So for me, the end result is actually not as important as how you get there (though that has serious implications for the end result). Even if most people resort to magical heaping that has built in limits as well and there will be times when your magical healers are killed or knocked ou and unable to heal the party. There will also be parties without magical healers in them ( i have seen this several times). And this ties into other issues I have with the 4e system, like mundane dailies and encounter powers. If you disagree that is fine. Play what you like. If someone else finds 4e more realistic than 3e or 2e or 1e, that is great. I can see how pemerton may feel that way given his interpretation of HP. For me that just isn't how I see the game and it isn't my experience of it. But it shouldn't be hard for us to understand where the other side is coming from at this stage. Both are coming from reasonable positions, and unless the intent is to keepnasking questions in order to win thw argument in socratic fashion, I don't really see the purpose of hairsplitting here (when my guess is most of us have already asked and answered these questions multiple times in the past).</blockquote>

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