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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Savage Wombat" data-source="post: 5877601" data-attributes="member: 1932">I've considered this point, but didn't bring it up.  Because it seems to me that, if you're adding healing surges to a character's "total" HP, you have to add the total number of healing spells available to a 3E character (divided by 4 I suppose) to his HP to find his "real total".  It's another area where the min-maxxer math makes my brain hurt.  Healing surges don't make a character have more HP within the context of a single encounter any more than the presence of the cleric does.  I'm happy with saying I prefer the older HP mechanic for simplicity, and not try to justify it as realistic or better math.</blockquote>