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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5886787" data-attributes="member: 957">I'm not claiming to speak for him.But here is how I see it.In 4E you can use Come and Get It.&nbsp; The mindless skeleton WILL come at you.The guard WILL come at you.The ooze WILL come at you.The mechanical result is set by the game system.&nbsp; How the character made this result happen is created after &quot;this result happened&quot; is a fact.I will agree that it isn't great choice of words to suggest the &quot;mechanics&quot; are vague.&nbsp; But there isn't nearly so clear a mandate on results for many areas of 3E (or other pre-4e).&nbsp; You can use Bluff and there are mechanics there.&nbsp; You can use intimidate.&nbsp; You could trip.&nbsp; You could grapple.&nbsp; You could come up with some other plan.&nbsp; Then the DM makes some degree of judgment.&nbsp; Then you see how it worked out.In pre-4e you control the narrative and find out what happens.In 4E you control what happens and then figure out a narrative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5886787, member: 957"] I'm not claiming to speak for him. But here is how I see it. In 4E you can use Come and Get It. The mindless skeleton WILL come at you. The guard WILL come at you. The ooze WILL come at you. The mechanical result is set by the game system. How the character made this result happen is created after "this result happened" is a fact. I will agree that it isn't great choice of words to suggest the "mechanics" are vague. But there isn't nearly so clear a mandate on results for many areas of 3E (or other pre-4e). You can use Bluff and there are mechanics there. You can use intimidate. You could trip. You could grapple. You could come up with some other plan. Then the DM makes some degree of judgment. Then you see how it worked out. In pre-4e you control the narrative and find out what happens. In 4E you control what happens and then figure out a narrative. [/QUOTE]

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