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<blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 1088892" data-attributes="member: 10201">Um, look more closely: no extra calculation: Sneak is a skill, and Hide and Move Silently are gone.Um, does AU *have* specialists?&nbsp; As for the blandness--it's no worse than the way Domains are handled in D&amp;D3E (vs. the Schools of AD&amp;D2).Price-wise, you should try buying non-D20 games some time.&nbsp; D20 games are a pleasant surprise, price-wise, to me, since they are almost inevitably cheaper than the RPGs i generally buy.I'm glad that AU duplicates material, and is stand-alone.&nbsp; I probably wouldn't have bought it if i needed to buy a D&amp;D3E PH, or print out vast swaths of the D20SRD, just to use it.&nbsp; And, while i don't for a moment think i'm typical, I bought it instead of D&amp;D3E PH/DMG/MM *combined*--i intend to run a campaign using just it, not AU + DMG/MM.&nbsp; [Ok, i'll probably swipe the Special Abilities out of the D20SRD, but i'm not likely to use any of the monsters from D&amp;D--i'll stat my own.]As for more typcial behavior: I doubt anyone will specifically buy AU+DMG+MM to run a game.&nbsp; But i wouldn't be one bit surprised to see someone running a game with AU, Diamond Throne, and, say, Tome of Horrors.&nbsp; Much of the DMG material isn't going to be compatible with AU anyway (magic items, frex), or isn't really needed (it's GMing advice, and the like).&nbsp; Not to mention, with the huge body of D20 books out there, you could easily cobble together an awesome fantasy game without touching the D&amp;D3E books.&nbsp; And with only 3 or 4 books, total: AU or Everquest for a PH, and most of the rules; something to cover magic items (both created ones, and creating them); maybe a book on wilderness, or dungeons, or politics, or whatever &quot;environment&quot; rules you need (if you need any); and one of the excellent monster books out there.&nbsp; Throw in a campaign setting if you want one, or roll your own.I've also heard a fair number of people online who alreayd own the 3E versions of PH/DMG/MM, and are forgoing the 3.5E versions specifically because AU excited them more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="woodelf, post: 1088892, member: 10201"] Um, look more closely: no extra calculation: Sneak is a skill, and Hide and Move Silently are gone. Um, does AU *have* specialists? As for the blandness--it's no worse than the way Domains are handled in D&D3E (vs. the Schools of AD&D2). Price-wise, you should try buying non-D20 games some time. D20 games are a pleasant surprise, price-wise, to me, since they are almost inevitably cheaper than the RPGs i generally buy. I'm glad that AU duplicates material, and is stand-alone. I probably wouldn't have bought it if i needed to buy a D&D3E PH, or print out vast swaths of the D20SRD, just to use it. And, while i don't for a moment think i'm typical, I bought it instead of D&D3E PH/DMG/MM *combined*--i intend to run a campaign using just it, not AU + DMG/MM. [Ok, i'll probably swipe the Special Abilities out of the D20SRD, but i'm not likely to use any of the monsters from D&D--i'll stat my own.] As for more typcial behavior: I doubt anyone will specifically buy AU+DMG+MM to run a game. But i wouldn't be one bit surprised to see someone running a game with AU, Diamond Throne, and, say, Tome of Horrors. Much of the DMG material isn't going to be compatible with AU anyway (magic items, frex), or isn't really needed (it's GMing advice, and the like). Not to mention, with the huge body of D20 books out there, you could easily cobble together an awesome fantasy game without touching the D&D3E books. And with only 3 or 4 books, total: AU or Everquest for a PH, and most of the rules; something to cover magic items (both created ones, and creating them); maybe a book on wilderness, or dungeons, or politics, or whatever "environment" rules you need (if you need any); and one of the excellent monster books out there. Throw in a campaign setting if you want one, or roll your own. I've also heard a fair number of people online who alreayd own the 3E versions of PH/DMG/MM, and are forgoing the 3.5E versions specifically because AU excited them more. [/QUOTE]

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