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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostbiter01" data-source="post: 6825294" data-attributes="member: 6677201">]]Then you would not be playing your character correctly Read Tolkien if you haven't and you will see the difference between loyalty and lawful oaths made even unto death. The problem with this generation is they believe good is relative. Tolkien did not think so and neither did most of the world until this generation warped the Theory of Relativity. Einstein said never did he intend this to be applied to morality but they do it all the time. Why because their heart is evil bent on self satisfaction at the expense of others and they not only do evil acts in their own lives but they condone others that do the same. SO just because you quote me someone who is following the law does not make them good but they are obeying the law publicly. Martin Luther in your example used the law of right to assembly though those tried to deny him that law. Had he used violence like you are supposing is ok he would have been evil like the Black Panthers were who sought chance via violence to make their cause. These men are chaotic and in many cases the taking of innocent life was evil.You do not get to set morality. There is no atheism in D&D there is good and there is evil. There is no redefining it. Sure you may have a Drow who acts good but he still acts good as it is defined. If try to mimic the stories of old it helps. For instance Daniel being a good man could be considered lawful as he obeyed all laws of the king except when they broke the law of his deity. The evil men that deceived the king in writing the law of not praying to any other but him forgot about his good friend Daniel. They used the Law and the King had to follow it and thus Daniel is cast into the Lions den. Then in the morning when he is alive the decree of the king is that the evil men be taken and thrown into he lions den where they meet their well deserved fate. Daniel meanwhile says "Oh King live forever" even while he was being taken out of the pit that was ordered by the King. Can you identify who was lawful and who was good and who was evil? Also Salvatore's books are quite good a showing you that those who can be held to an oath are lawful by nature. At Luskan the carnival was a way to flay men as part of their punishment. It was the law for those condemned to death to die but many would see that as cruel and evil. Thus there were some who wanted to change it by lawful ways and others by overthrowing the evil gov't of the pirates but the point was these are examples of evil and good and those who were lawful good tried to abbey the law or at least suffer over it not kill people if they didn't like it. As I said before there is always someone bigger than you that has come through before.  this si a role play game if I give you a LG player I expect you to obey the laws even help to enforce it when necessary Do good to those who are around you. If you slay a dragon you don't want to cause it to kill the village you just said you would help. You actually care for these people. Heroism is born out of knowing what you are dying for. Evil are cowards and know not heroism but rule by fear. Fortunately, a LE Devil will honor his word, though he may twist it as best he can. While CE Demons will lie and stab you in the back and always work toward evil. See we know what to expect. I have found players are find it harder and harder to play LG. On they have no idea as they don't go to church and understand a moral law above their own idea f hat is good and they just suck generally in their attempt to do good. They bypass beggars and despite being rich in gold do little to help the poor. They wont even get a cat out of a tree unless she pays them. Again their defense is "that is not what I call good to just do something for nothing" boy I would hate to be married to them. They apply their own morality instead of what the game has defined as to what is good and evil. If you cant do that then don't play an RPG.I say all this only to say, I make sure the party of Role players know how I expect them to play each part of the alignment and give them bonus XPs for doing so.</blockquote>

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