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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostbiter01" data-source="post: 6825352" data-attributes="member: 6677201">No of course not I appreciate all your help. We can always agree to disagree!“According to Einstein, there is no absolute time and space. Einstein expressed sorrow that his relativistic principles were applied to ethics, and that such indirectly changed absolute morals into relative morality. His relativity belonged to a scientific culture committed to objective truth, truth that was what it was even outside mankind's epistemology. For that reason, Einstein was the enemy of relativism and merely partial descriptions from particular perspectives about reality.” Most likely your generation was not taught this but instead taught moral relativism does exist. Except you would be hard pressed to find a text book that teaches that nonsense prior to the 60’s. That means your generation was fed that junk and is engrained into your thinkingIt is interesting that cultures throughout the world have commonly seen murder, thievery, adultery and many deviant sexual acts as wrong. In fact the earliest civilizations have these evils in common. Now we come to this generation who has adultery sites, says murder of the unborn is not really murder until they come out of the womb, justify stealing due to someone's circumstances, and basically say well everyone does it.See this is a prime example of what this generation has been fed. They have been told the Black Panthers never did anything wrong. Do me a favor and look up the Zebra Killings in the 70's. There you will find one of several types of stories where members of the Panthers did atrocities. You probably wont see a film about this though on TV. This is exactly what I was talking about. You quote that action as good. Where is your absolute authority that this is good? The law says this man can serve when he wants he put his hard earned money up and paid good money to keep thieves including those that employ wizards. Now a Good Wizard would have understood the proprietors concerns and done much to ease them but you think that is not good but just punishing this law abiding citizen because it bruised your ego is god. That is exactly moral relativism and is destructive to society and one reason todays kids find Role Playing difficult and want to attack Wizards or any other for setting strict criteria.. Again this is this generations biggest problem and why they will be enslaved by socialism and maybe fascism at some point.Moral absolutes is what the game is based on. Moral Absolutism is the ethical belief that there are absolute standards against which moral questions can be judged, and that certain actions are right or wrong, regardless of the context of the act.that is right he did throw the wives and children. This was the law that the whole family suffered and they lived in peace of murder despite not having forensics and fingerprinting in your utopia today. There was no revenge! The same for Haman. So the children should not bear the sins but they do bear the consequences. It is clear he was chaotic good. He always leaned toward good and his decisions allowed him to take oaths when he needed too. He could be Neutral if he was not more pragmatic.The Drizzt books are great. His movement to good from the evil empire of Drow he lived in and the descriptions of his world and the one he came to know is incredible and detailed. The people on the surface ha suffered from much war with the drow. He faced fear from all who came near him. Some were evil who just anted to kill him while others were cautious and still others befriended him over time. He had to prove himself in good actions to overcome the fear. Still there was laws that even he had to abbey if not more so. But he is chaotic at best besides being good. The only reason TSR/Wizards has had difficulty is what was considered evil in the 1970's say like homosexualism might be considered good in todays game terms because of what has been determined to be good by this generation just as an example. So we need to see that they are trying to change your definition of what you see is good rather than hold to a moral absolute. On some things they have held while others are not. In the end it is a game so if I have someone who is hedonist DMing he may allow types of debauchery and call it good. While a Christian DM, A Jewish DM or  A Muslim DM might have things they feel are moral absolutes and are going to hold their characters to them or at least certain ones more than others. Interesting these would be similar. Again I wont belabor this subject since in the end we will have to agree to disagree.</blockquote>

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