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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dyntheos" data-source="post: 1520698" data-attributes="member: 18529">..and where does this state that cleric spells are less complex? All I have seen so far is conjecture on why the rule is there at all. I continue to place up similar arguments regarding weapons, yet the people trying to counter this argument are only focusing on the shields themselves. Could a longsword attack not disrupt a finger movement? Could activating a staff not get in the way of casting a spell? Shields are not the only thing one can hold in your other hand and use in the same round, so why is it singled out?No offense, but your last statement was offensive. As a bit of background I've been playing the game for over 20 years, transitioned to 3.x when it first came out, yadda yadda yadda. Patronising statements like yours do not add value to the discussion here. An answer to my question ( I don't think there is one ) is what I am looking for. So far I have yet to recieve one that is based on the rules presented in the game books.Liquidsabre I think you are missing the reasons why I posted the part about the force shield.The line you quoted and the tables referring to ASF for shield types state that ASF is based upon weight, and encumberance.Li Shenron previously tried to make the argument that it was based upon usage. "If you use a shield you take the ASF hit", because it "gets in the way". Something which you appear to agree with when you posted.The quote which you used to begin your post was placed by me to verify in black and white, that this is not the case at all. It clearly staes that actually using a shield has nothing to do with ASF. If it did, the description of shield usage, or spell casting would state that "if you use a shield you suffer an ASF chance". The force ring description backs this up by also not mentioning the percived requirement you advocate.Your argument is also confusing because in your first paragraph you state that line of sight blocking a casters view at a critical moment could disrupt a spell, yet in your last sentence you state that clerics have less hand waving, but no mention of a line of sight requirement to cast. Do clerics too need to actually see what they are casting at for a spell to function. If this is the case then cleric could also have thier spells fail due to "waving it about". You also mentioned clerics casting in armor. This discussion is concerning shields specifically, not the ASF attributed to armor.Also the argument of usage completely falls flat because it assumes the mage is actually in combat using the shield. What if a mage is merely holding the shield, not looking for incoming hits, not trying to actively block arrows or attackers, and is some several hundred feet away from a battle, with no one around him for several hundred feet, has nothing in his left hand which he uses for spell casting, thus fulfilling the requirement to cast a spell, yet still takes the ASF hit?</blockquote>

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