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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2831196" data-attributes="member: 29252">No, no, no .... your 1st level human wizard makes -1 spell level Energy Substituted Ray of Frost scrolls, at a gain of GP and XPYour 3rd level human wizard makes -2 spell level Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted Ray of Frost) scrolls (two different energy substitutions), at a gain of GP and XPYour 5th level human wizard makes -2 spell level Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted Ray of Frost) wands (two different energy substitutions) at a big gain of GP and XP.Your 9th level human wizard makes -3 spell level  Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted Ray of Frost)) wands (three different energy substitutions) at a really big gain of GP and XP.Your 10th level human wizard makes -4 spell level Energy Substituted( Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted (Energy Substituted Ray of Frost))) wands (four different energy substitutions) at an enormous gain of GP and XP.Hmm... at what point does this interpertaion make a full level per wand?  If you can dig up enough +0 spell level metamagic feats, at 20th level, he's making 6,600 xp per wand (10 +0 metamagic feats, all reduced by 1 by Arcane Thesis to -1 level adjustments, applied to a 0th level spell, at caster level 22; -10th level spell, caster level 22, wands valued at -165,000 gp; "spend" -6,600 xp and -82,500 gp).  At Epic, 21st, that would be 11 such +0 feats, 7,590 xp per wand, 12 for 9000 xp each at 23rd .... and that's assuming he never picks up / Wishes up any Orange Prism Ioun Stones or similar.... he'd get a different time chart doing that, but basically loses all feats to the beast .... and the majority would still be spent in the 1st-5th transition, where only scrolls are available....  17 such feats to spend at 30th ... -17*32*750=-408,000; 16,320 xp each - still not a full level per .... 40th would have 23 such  at 28,980 xp per wand; 50th would have 30 such at 78,000 xp each .... gee, a level a day with no combat..... at 50th level.  Assuming you can find 30 +0 spell level adjustment feats.  And that Thesis feat works per metamagic feat applied.  And your DM doesn't drop a cow on your character's head (it wants it's cheese back).  And that it actually works that way.  Et cetera.Agreed.</blockquote>

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