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Arcane Thesis - Too Powerful or Balanced?
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<blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4868684" data-attributes="member: 33560"><p>I used magic missile as the example because it is pretty much the conventional wizards basic attack spell at low levels. The Arcane Thesis version is 50ish damage that requires no attack roll, can be split among targets, has no saving throw, and essentially is unresistable. Unless you have Shield, or the necklace thingy...or happen to be a force dragon.</p><p></p><p>Why compare scorching ray to magic missile when I already showcased it doing more damage than a 9th level spell, as a 9th level caster even.</p><p></p><p>Know any humanoids or small to large creatures that use manufactured weapons or armor that can stay standing with a 1 Strength? Or bruteish monsters who are still a challenge when they suck -13 to hit and damage with no save? See Split Ray eventually for even more cheeze-wiz.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizards get free metamagic feats, and tons of the desireable caster PrCs require metamagic feats anyways. That's not a very high associated cost along with the cost of this feat itself. Nobody would bother taking the feat unless they liked using the spell a lot. So try and look at it in the best ways it will be used, not the worst most unlikely ways.</p><p></p><p>Might make the mage a 1 trick pony, but nobody will survive long enough to tell their buddies anyways.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="akbearfoot, post: 4868684, member: 33560"] I used magic missile as the example because it is pretty much the conventional wizards basic attack spell at low levels. The Arcane Thesis version is 50ish damage that requires no attack roll, can be split among targets, has no saving throw, and essentially is unresistable. Unless you have Shield, or the necklace thingy...or happen to be a force dragon. Why compare scorching ray to magic missile when I already showcased it doing more damage than a 9th level spell, as a 9th level caster even. Know any humanoids or small to large creatures that use manufactured weapons or armor that can stay standing with a 1 Strength? Or bruteish monsters who are still a challenge when they suck -13 to hit and damage with no save? See Split Ray eventually for even more cheeze-wiz. Wizards get free metamagic feats, and tons of the desireable caster PrCs require metamagic feats anyways. That's not a very high associated cost along with the cost of this feat itself. Nobody would bother taking the feat unless they liked using the spell a lot. So try and look at it in the best ways it will be used, not the worst most unlikely ways. Might make the mage a 1 trick pony, but nobody will survive long enough to tell their buddies anyways. [/QUOTE]
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