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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mon" data-source="post: 4869628" data-attributes="member: 71673">Eh? The damage from a maximized and empowered magic missile cannot reach 42, much less average that much.25 (maximized) + 6.25 (average addition from being empowered*) = 31.25 average* 5d4 averages out to 12.5, /2 = 6.25 extra for empower, since empowering a maximised spell still requires you to roll damage for the empower portion. Also the +1s aren't empowered because they are not variable. The minimum is 27.5 (if all 1s are rolled for empowering), the maximum is 35 (if all 4s are rolled for empowering). Even if you allowed the +1s to be empowered, the average would be 33.75 maximum would be 37.5.True, but that doesn't occur in this case. With arcane thesis, the above uses a 4th level spell slot. It isn't doing close to what a 9th level spell can dish out.</blockquote>