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Arcane Trickster / Wizard: Diviner or Bladesinger? Ranged or Melee?
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<blockquote data-quote="Obliza" data-source="post: 7493470" data-attributes="member: 6915561"><p><strong>With your current plan your bladesinger is doing</strong></p><p>6d6+2d8+16 | 46 average damage a round at max level</p><p><strong>your ranged/debuffer is doing</strong></p><p>output 8d6+1d10+8 | 41.5 average damage a round at max level</p><p></p><p>This is fine considering your utility from your spellcasting ability </p><p>except you only reach </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">3rd level arcane trickster spells & 2nd level wizard spells </span>(Ranged/Debuffer)</p><p>or</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">2nd level arcane trickster spells & 4th level wizard spells </span>(Meele Magical Striker)</p><p>You also don't boost your intellect until level 17-18 meaning using your spell slots for control is less likely to work.</p><p></p><p>Your build suffers from Gish to quite an extent, in other words you are a jack of two trades but a master of neither.</p><p></p><p><strong>You will need to decide, are you caster? meele? ranged? What are you building for?</strong></p><p>A pure bladesinger for example could cast high level shadow blades, a plethora of control spells, gets intellect bonus to damage rolls.</p><p>A pure rogue is unfortunately not that great, arcane trickster is among the best but not having access to extra attack really hurts, miss your 1-2 attacks and no sneak attack damage for an entire round is brutal.</p><p></p><p><strong>Feats</strong></p><p><strong></strong>Elven Accuracy and rogue stealth/sneak attack is great but with low damage potential and low spell slots you can't really make it shine. Taking elven accuracy should mean you are planning to focus on a physical combat build.</p><p></p><p>Other feats worth considering would be</p><p>Warcaster | Advantage on Con Saves & Booming Blade Reactions</p><p>Sharpshooter | If you want to be a skulker and attack from stealth constantly, +10 damage to attacks for -5 to hit is fantastic.</p><p></p><p><strong>Suggestions</strong></p><p>Your levels in rogue and elven accuracy plan I would think lead you towards either meele or ranged, meaning you are building to take advantage of elven accuracy. </p><p></p><p>Provided you build for meele/ranged you will want extra attack which means Bladesinger 6 or another extra attack class as fast as possible. Its not just for the damage of the extra attack but it is another chance to hit procing your sneak attack. </p><p></p><p>If you are attacking from ranged you will also want extra attack, consider sharpshooter / crossbow expert for the bonus action attack and +10 damage, giving you +30dpr.</p><p></p><p>Warcaster allows you to booming blade as an opportunity attack reaction in addition to advantage on concentration checks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Obliza, post: 7493470, member: 6915561"] [B]With your current plan your bladesinger is doing[/B] 6d6+2d8+16 | 46 average damage a round at max level [B]your ranged/debuffer is doing[/B] output 8d6+1d10+8 | 41.5 average damage a round at max level This is fine considering your utility from your spellcasting ability except you only reach [COLOR=#ff0000]3rd level arcane trickster spells & 2nd level wizard spells [/COLOR](Ranged/Debuffer)[COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR] or [COLOR=#ff0000]2nd level arcane trickster spells & 4th level wizard spells [/COLOR](Meele Magical Striker)[COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR] You also don't boost your intellect until level 17-18 meaning using your spell slots for control is less likely to work. Your build suffers from Gish to quite an extent, in other words you are a jack of two trades but a master of neither. [B]You will need to decide, are you caster? meele? ranged? What are you building for?[/B] A pure bladesinger for example could cast high level shadow blades, a plethora of control spells, gets intellect bonus to damage rolls. A pure rogue is unfortunately not that great, arcane trickster is among the best but not having access to extra attack really hurts, miss your 1-2 attacks and no sneak attack damage for an entire round is brutal. [B]Feats [/B]Elven Accuracy and rogue stealth/sneak attack is great but with low damage potential and low spell slots you can't really make it shine. Taking elven accuracy should mean you are planning to focus on a physical combat build. Other feats worth considering would be Warcaster | Advantage on Con Saves & Booming Blade Reactions Sharpshooter | If you want to be a skulker and attack from stealth constantly, +10 damage to attacks for -5 to hit is fantastic. [B]Suggestions[/B] Your levels in rogue and elven accuracy plan I would think lead you towards either meele or ranged, meaning you are building to take advantage of elven accuracy. Provided you build for meele/ranged you will want extra attack which means Bladesinger 6 or another extra attack class as fast as possible. Its not just for the damage of the extra attack but it is another chance to hit procing your sneak attack. If you are attacking from ranged you will also want extra attack, consider sharpshooter / crossbow expert for the bonus action attack and +10 damage, giving you +30dpr. Warcaster allows you to booming blade as an opportunity attack reaction in addition to advantage on concentration checks. [/QUOTE]
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