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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1387463" data-attributes="member: 11288">Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it.It's true that my Spontaneous Metamagic isn't as 'clean' as I would like it too be, and that it propably is overpowered too.Khaalis, you're right that the level maximum issue is somewhat clunky. I thought about using the text you quote from Unearthed Arcana p.152, but can't it be made simpler? Maybe like this:'You can only apply Spontaneous Metamagic feats to spells of x level if you're able to cast spells of x level + the combined level adjustments of the feats applied.'Not really elegant, but doesn't it get the point across in one sentence?As for just using the Daily Use rule from UA, I think it is somewhat flawed. Since not all metamagic feats are equal in power, and since spells metamagicked this way doesn't increase spell level, granting a flat amount of daily uses may make feats like Quicken much better than Still or Silent. The only limiting factor for Quicken is that it can't be applied to your highest 4 spell levels. At higher levels it will be much more worthwhile to stock up on the Quicken feats (remember, they stack), as each grants you another 3 uses per day.That said, I agree that my current system of granting 3 + Cha bonus worth of level adjustments to be used freely with all metamagic feats (even if I only use the 9 core feats) is too much. The problem is, that this system needs to apply to all metamagicfeats to remain somewhat simple. If it only applies to Still and Silent, for example, how does it work when you buy a new metamagic feat? If it's still 3 + Cha bonus worth of level adjustmenys per day, you're canabalizing your ability to still and silent by spending the daily uses on other feats. (I hope that made sense...)Also, I really want this to be tied to Cha, opposed to UA's 3 daily uses.Since I've seen Plane Sailing and others who play Sorcerers say that they feel the class is fine as it is, I'm very leery of granting my variant to much of a boost.So here is my revised Spontaneous Metamagic mechanic:The Arcanist inherently knows all metamagic feats, but can only apply them a very limited number of times (initially).An Arcanist get Cha bonus worth of level adjustments to freely apply to his spells each day, using any of the metamagic feats he qualifies for. He can only apply Spontaneous Metamagic feats to spells of x level if he's able to cast spells of x level + the combined level adjustments of the feats applied. This doesn't increase casting time or spell levels.Thus, a 1st level Arcanist with a Cha of 15 may cast two 0 level spells metamagicked with a +1 level adjustment each.Since the Arcanist knows all metamagic by nature, he doesn't need to learn them by buying feats, instead a new feat is introduced:Improved Metamagic. This feat gives you +3 level adjustments to be used per day. It stacks with itself.Thus, a 10th level (non human) Arcanist with a Cha of 18 who has spend all his feats on Improved Metamagic has 16 levels worth of adjustments to apply to his spells each day. With these he could Quicken 4 Magic Missiles, Silent 16 spells of 4th level or lower, both Silent and Still 8 spells of 3rd level or lower, etc.How's that? It may seem powerful (it's certainly very versatile), but remember that using the Daily Use mechanic from UA would let you Quicken 12 spells if you'd spend 4 feats on Quicken Spell. Also keep in mind that the above is an extreme example, where all of the characters feats have been spend on Improved Metamagic, granting great versatility with the spells known at the expense of not having any other feats.Actually, I like the idea about the Wizard being very versatile due his large number of spells known, but the Arcanist being equally(?) versatile when it comes to the way he can use his limited selection.(A note about which feats this applies to: I'm only using the core books plus my own house rules, thus there are no metamagic feats beyond the 9 in the PH. That's right, not even Energy Substitution(?) as I think that it's a silly feat, taking away from the uniqueness of spells and lessening the importance of a casters spellchoices, making a Sorcerer's number of spells known much less of a restriction than it should be. IMHO.)Edit: If the new mechanic still seems too powerful, it may be reduced to just +2 level adjustments per times the feat is taken. Or maybe you should only be able to take it once? Would that limit the Arcanist's access to metamagic too much?</blockquote>

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