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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gortle" data-source="post: 5631776" data-attributes="member: 88663">I appreciate your points. Most of what you are saying has reasonable sense to it, but I'm going to disagree. Punting the monster into the wizards zone with pushes and slides is a fun part of 4th ed. If the damage is end of turn there is little damage value in that tactic anymore. There goes your teamwork. Strikers all have excellent movement powers they don't need the controller to help with their placement, just a sticky defender.The damage from movable zones is far from automatic. You are wrong to assume otherwise. See above post. Forcing monsters to move is rarely worth a standard action for a PC.  If the position is that key then the monsters will soak up the damage. Many of them have the hitpoints. Crank it up a notch if you want the damage to make them move. Add in 5 ongoing fire damage.Blaster is a valid build for a wizard, pure controllers won't take many of these damaging zones anyway. Many PCs don't still strictly to their role. Leave them alone and let the blasters have their fun. Don't take away there fun for the sake of controller purity. Don't water down spells that aren't a problem. Compensate if you have to weaken powers. More generally making zones spells once per round and at the start of the turn would be a much simpler fix than erratering each one. It would make game play faster too.</blockquote>