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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 3180616" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>I wasn't really needing pointers on how to be a better DM, I'm not lacking in the DM etiquette department, but thanks for the input.</p><p></p><p>If I'm going to play a smart fighter NPC, it only makes sense that they go for the sunder on a bow. Not every NPC is going to try, but any trained fighter will take that bow out first if it's a threat to him. D&D rules have allowed archers to fighter better with a bow in melee than a swordsman (in my case anyway). It shouldn't be that way. I think the Arrow Mind & similiar abilities were meant to help the archer out if he got caught unexpectedly in a melee fight with his bow in hand....not rely on the bow in a melee fight.</p><p></p><p>If I was better with tactics, the Drow would have sundered the bow. If I have NPC's going for the sunder all the time, it's not because I want to destroy that bow...it's because those NPC's are basically saying, "You better put that bow away and pull out your swords".</p><p></p><p>A couple attempts at a sunder and I think the PC would realize that he shouldn't rely on his bow to take down a trained swordsman in melee combat. If bows were meant to be <strong>that</strong> effective, no one would have ever bothered training with a sword. </p><p></p><p>I can imagine an archer good enough to use a bow in melee....but there's a reason it's not common...it's too easy for a sword to snap a bow in melee combat.</p><p></p><p>Only poor Archers risk losing their bow by relying on it in melee combat <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 3180616, member: 18701"] I wasn't really needing pointers on how to be a better DM, I'm not lacking in the DM etiquette department, but thanks for the input. If I'm going to play a smart fighter NPC, it only makes sense that they go for the sunder on a bow. Not every NPC is going to try, but any trained fighter will take that bow out first if it's a threat to him. D&D rules have allowed archers to fighter better with a bow in melee than a swordsman (in my case anyway). It shouldn't be that way. I think the Arrow Mind & similiar abilities were meant to help the archer out if he got caught unexpectedly in a melee fight with his bow in hand....not rely on the bow in a melee fight. If I was better with tactics, the Drow would have sundered the bow. If I have NPC's going for the sunder all the time, it's not because I want to destroy that bow...it's because those NPC's are basically saying, "You better put that bow away and pull out your swords". A couple attempts at a sunder and I think the PC would realize that he shouldn't rely on his bow to take down a trained swordsman in melee combat. If bows were meant to be [b]that[/b] effective, no one would have ever bothered training with a sword. I can imagine an archer good enough to use a bow in melee....but there's a reason it's not common...it's too easy for a sword to snap a bow in melee combat. Only poor Archers risk losing their bow by relying on it in melee combat :p [/QUOTE]
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