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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5620292" data-attributes="member: 35909">Fighters can get Point Blank Master at level 4, though practically speaking, they're getting it at level 5.  Rangers can get PBM at level 6.  So Zen Archer just gets a few levels jumpon them.  In return, he loses out on HD and BAB, and compared to Fighter feats and compared to Ranger skills and spells and an extra set of actions per round (also known as an "animal companion".)I played a Zen Archer from levels 2-7, which is the range where they're really at their best, if you look at the class features.  I was still only on par with the archer Ranger in the party (we had 8 players, we could afford redundancy).  I had slightly better attack and damage per round, he was better at...everything else.  And really, post level 6...you're done getting good class features.  I would've GLADLY traded for normal monk's assortment for levels 7-20, even though some of it has no use with archery, the mid/high level Zen Archer benefits are just that bad.Flurry with your bow is just Rapid Shot by a different name, except it's not as good because you can't take Manyshot with it, and even though you're *shooting* at full BAB, you don't count as having it, which makes it a pain to meet pre-reqs on occasion and really shoehorns you into a boring routine of only ever full attacking unless it's an absolute necessity not to, even more so than a typical archer.EDIT: I'm criticizing Zen Archer, but don't get me wrong.  It works fine for what it does.  It's just IMo inferior to Fighter and Ranger, and by far the most narrowly focused and thus boring.</blockquote>

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