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<blockquote data-quote="tx7321" data-source="post: 3223990" data-attributes="member: 43146">Charlesatan, &quot;As to why Gygax decided mages shouldn't wear armor is up to him, but one reason why armor-touting wizards is so strange is because D&amp;D made the stereotype of mages not wearing armor.&quot;Are you kidding?&nbsp; Could you please show me one illustration of a magician wearing armor and carrying a sword that was viewed by more the 10 Americans in the 70s.&nbsp; As far as I know Gandalf carried a magical sword that was incredibly powerful (his minus to hit would be made up for and then some by its plus to hit in AD&amp;D 1E terms).&nbsp; So its permissible by the rules anyway.&nbsp; You guys are not thinking in terms of the general market and classic Grimms, Disney etc.&nbsp; The mass market didn't read obscure books, at most they read the Hobbit, and LOTR.&nbsp; Anyway, to summarize, I'm not saying 3E doesn't have archetypes (clearly it does), all I'm saying is that they were changed drasticaly melded to some degree.&nbsp; Like Red Blue and Yellow paint mixing into a new color.&nbsp; This mixing just got old to me after a while.&nbsp; When I went back to 1E (after 2 years of 3E) I began to appreciate the things I thought I hated about 1E and understood for the first time&nbsp; the value of level limits for demi-humans, the weapons restrictions for classes etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tx7321, post: 3223990, member: 43146"] Charlesatan, "As to why Gygax decided mages shouldn't wear armor is up to him, but one reason why armor-touting wizards is so strange is because D&D made the stereotype of mages not wearing armor." Are you kidding? Could you please show me one illustration of a magician wearing armor and carrying a sword that was viewed by more the 10 Americans in the 70s. As far as I know Gandalf carried a magical sword that was incredibly powerful (his minus to hit would be made up for and then some by its plus to hit in AD&D 1E terms). So its permissible by the rules anyway. You guys are not thinking in terms of the general market and classic Grimms, Disney etc. The mass market didn't read obscure books, at most they read the Hobbit, and LOTR. Anyway, to summarize, I'm not saying 3E doesn't have archetypes (clearly it does), all I'm saying is that they were changed drasticaly melded to some degree. Like Red Blue and Yellow paint mixing into a new color. This mixing just got old to me after a while. When I went back to 1E (after 2 years of 3E) I began to appreciate the things I thought I hated about 1E and understood for the first time the value of level limits for demi-humans, the weapons restrictions for classes etc. [/QUOTE]

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