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<blockquote data-quote="PapersAndPaychecks" data-source="post: 3226586" data-attributes="member: 28854">Tolkein was a fair bit more popular iirc.Don't get me wrong:&nbsp; I certainly accept that there were occasional representations of wizards wearing armour in fantasy literature.&nbsp; I think the point is that the stereotypical wizard didn't.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In fairness, this &quot;at war&quot; qualification is a complete red herring.&nbsp; The essence of the question is whether wizards were generally, or primarily, depicted as wearing armour.&nbsp; They weren't.&nbsp; Even Tx accepted that there might be exceptions.Yeah... Elric's a complex one.I could make a reasonable case to say that Elric is, in 1e terms, a cleric.&nbsp; His powers derive from his relationship with Arioch or from ludicrously powerful magic items, and they relate primarily to the summoning and control of minions.&nbsp; If Elric wants to kill someone, he uses Stormbringer or some conjured thing, not a fireball.But I won't try; he's clearly not the literary antecedent of any 1e class.&nbsp; Elric is a parody/negative image of Conan and his literary function was to mock a stereotype; then he got conflated with the Eternal Champion and his function shifted again, to a kind of universal protagonist.&nbsp; There aren't any real limits on Elric.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PapersAndPaychecks, post: 3226586, member: 28854"] Tolkein was a fair bit more popular iirc. Don't get me wrong: I certainly accept that there were occasional representations of wizards wearing armour in fantasy literature. I think the point is that the stereotypical wizard didn't. ;) In fairness, this "at war" qualification is a complete red herring. The essence of the question is whether wizards were generally, or primarily, depicted as wearing armour. They weren't. Even Tx accepted that there might be exceptions. Yeah... Elric's a complex one. I could make a reasonable case to say that Elric is, in 1e terms, a cleric. His powers derive from his relationship with Arioch or from ludicrously powerful magic items, and they relate primarily to the summoning and control of minions. If Elric wants to kill someone, he uses Stormbringer or some conjured thing, not a fireball. But I won't try; he's clearly not the literary antecedent of any 1e class. Elric is a parody/negative image of Conan and his literary function was to mock a stereotype; then he got conflated with the Eternal Champion and his function shifted again, to a kind of universal protagonist. There aren't any real limits on Elric. [/QUOTE]

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