Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Archetypes, are they useful anymore?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 3231498" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>Which means the problem wasn't the druid/ranger multiclass, it was some sort of variant rule.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since we are using the UA rules (and we are playing the part of multiclassing munchkins, of coure we are using those rules), the level limits are higher than that. Let's be a dark-elf female fighter/cleric, my level limits are then more like 12/Unlimited. Or, as a grey elf fighter/magic-user, my level limits are 5-7/11+. Basically, you'd sacrifice the portion of the game most people wouldn't play (10th+ level gaming in 1e) for hopped up powers at the stage where most campaigns took place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's see. He loses +1 BAB, so he only has two attacks, and not three. His hit dice are 2d12 + 3d6 + 2d8 + 4d10 = 54.5 on average, against 60.5 for the fighter. He has more skill points, assuming he picked, say barbarian first, he has 20 + 24 + 12 + 8 = 64 skill points, whereas the single classed fighter has 28. But the hybrid has a lot of limitations. To keep evasion and his ranger combat style (which I am assuming you are counting as one of the hybrid's feats) he has to be in light or no armor. To keep fast movement he has to be in medium or lighter armor. Most of his abilities are dictated by his class - he has little or no choice in them, he can only select two-weapon fighting or archery as his combat style, he has to take track, and so on.</p><p></p><p>The fighter has three more bonus fighter feats than the hybrid, and gets to select most of his abilities as he chooses, and can use all of his abilities in any armor he chooses to. The hybrid, for all his gyrating through various classes, has gained a slight edge in some areas, so long as he adheres to a pile of restrictions on the armor he can wear, and how much he can carry, and figures out how to use the mish-mash of class abilities he has. Choosing who is more valuable to a party, I'd pick the single classed guy any day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 3231498, member: 307"] Which means the problem wasn't the druid/ranger multiclass, it was some sort of variant rule. Since we are using the UA rules (and we are playing the part of multiclassing munchkins, of coure we are using those rules), the level limits are higher than that. Let's be a dark-elf female fighter/cleric, my level limits are then more like 12/Unlimited. Or, as a grey elf fighter/magic-user, my level limits are 5-7/11+. Basically, you'd sacrifice the portion of the game most people wouldn't play (10th+ level gaming in 1e) for hopped up powers at the stage where most campaigns took place. Let's see. He loses +1 BAB, so he only has two attacks, and not three. His hit dice are 2d12 + 3d6 + 2d8 + 4d10 = 54.5 on average, against 60.5 for the fighter. He has more skill points, assuming he picked, say barbarian first, he has 20 + 24 + 12 + 8 = 64 skill points, whereas the single classed fighter has 28. But the hybrid has a lot of limitations. To keep evasion and his ranger combat style (which I am assuming you are counting as one of the hybrid's feats) he has to be in light or no armor. To keep fast movement he has to be in medium or lighter armor. Most of his abilities are dictated by his class - he has little or no choice in them, he can only select two-weapon fighting or archery as his combat style, he has to take track, and so on. The fighter has three more bonus fighter feats than the hybrid, and gets to select most of his abilities as he chooses, and can use all of his abilities in any armor he chooses to. The hybrid, for all his gyrating through various classes, has gained a slight edge in some areas, so long as he adheres to a pile of restrictions on the armor he can wear, and how much he can carry, and figures out how to use the mish-mash of class abilities he has. Choosing who is more valuable to a party, I'd pick the single classed guy any day. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Archetypes, are they useful anymore?
Top