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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7558993" data-attributes="member: 6880599">I am not tracking what your saying entirely but Its not unheard of to have a for example a Ranger scout without thieves tools a Wizard to investigate "oddities" for traps mundane or arcane, then have the rogue with low wisdom and intellect disarm them with thieves tools. I think it is far less common that a rogue with expertise in thieves tools and investigation who doesn't need the wizard and often GMs don't allow "visual clues for hidden traps". I prefer traps to have a different perception DC and investigation DC to notice find and allow a perceptive player to be able to tip off the need to investigate. However this is largely a GM play style choice that has developed from being annoyed when GMs I played under only allowed one or the other switching after I revealed I had built a character who was good at the one we were using but wanted us to fail the trap to tell their story. So now when I GM I use a macro that makes a random DC for each skill separately then modifies:-to spot: Perception, Investigation, Survival -to disarm: Thieves' Tools, Intellect, strength -Failed disarm: Save DC  / Attack roll , Damage type , Damage, critical damage (if to hit)This allows a group effort or unstandardized approach to traps. On the other hand, I highly recommend "role planning" for parties. I don't mean players micro manage eachothers characters, but if there is party role you want to do call it out and let  the other players know because the worst player vs player friction I have seen is because two players wanted to do the role in the group not because you to players with the same class, race, background, feats. They start fighting for their moment to shine. If you have a rogue that spots traps and then a rogue that disarm traps they can work as a partnership but if you have a wizard who disarms traps and a ranger who disarms traps their is a chance they will fight about it if that was a primary character archetype goal they don't want to let go of as the OP has described.</blockquote>

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