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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sound of Azure" data-source="post: 3402607" data-attributes="member: 40749">Maybe so. It does seem more thematic for a scholar type.You have a point, although it's not quite true. The archivists will be able to get hold of "druid" spells by interacting with the Spirit Shamans (who use spells from the druid list) and Shugenjas (who have their own spell list).Heh, me too.That's an interesting idea. I didn't notice that they had a good Fort save. That's just not right. Anyway, I've been tossing up the idea of eliminating the divine/arcane split. It's where this idea came from in the first place.As for the M:tg splits of spell schools... interesting. It could work well.Good point. All of the learned spells should be of the same type. If I implement Nifft's idea, above, mystic theurges will not exist (since there would be no arcane/divine split).Yeah, I think that's a must. It's starting to sound more like a wizard with the Archivist's class abilities instead. That's not a bad thing, though.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Re: bardic knowledge, I was comparing it slightly to the cloistered cleric's lore ability. It would be nice to have a back up for times when the archivist's prodigious Knowledge skills actually fail them (unlikely, but it could happen).Expanded knowledge? Hmmm, it doesn't quite sit right with me either. The main restriction seems to be the monetary cost of scribing the spells. While spellbook scribing will likely be cheaper in my game, there'll be less available gold, too. It sounds like it makes more sense to give the archivist free access the wizard list (that is, their free spells come from this list). Access to other spells must come from scrolls andbe scribed into the spellbook.Thanks for the help. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />---So:Archivistd6 hd, good Will save, poor base attack bonus.No armour proficiency (spell failure in armour). Wizard weapon proficiency.At 1st level, access to all 0-level Wizard spells and 3 ist-level wizard spells. Gets two free wizard spells at every level; an scribe scrolls he comes across into his spellbook.Scribe Scroll at 1st levelLore (same as bardic knowledge)Dark knowledgeLore Mastery (at level 2, 7, 13, and 17)Still Mind at 4th levelBonus Feats at level 10 and 20.</blockquote>

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