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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1429746" data-attributes="member: 111">No - it would mean that effects designed to work with ranged spells wouldn't work with non-ranged (melee touch) spells even if delivered at 30' (if I went that route).Either that, or they would work as ranged touch rays regardless of the wording.  If you can deliver a spell at 30' and it takes a ranged attack to do so, it's not a "touch" range any more - it violates the definition.  I'd either allow it or not, and not depend on looking for exacting language, as the rules have shown time and time again that the language within them is simply not that precise.  An energy-subsituted spell is obviously meant to change the energy type, with all that entails.  When a "touch" spell can be delivered with a 30' ranged attack, doesn't everything connected with that change - the attack roll now depends upon Dex, etc.?I think one should decide which way you think it was meant to work, and then stick with that unless the language is very, very clear.  I see the language here as being less than clear - for clarity they really should have stated whether the range changes for the purposes of effects that can only be applied to ranged spells.The rules do not say what to do with a 30' (or 60') touch.  Touch is melee range, a Ray is a ranged touch.  You have to choose whichever you think fits best, either way is not right.  A little flavor text about HOW you deliver this ranged touch would have solved this problem most likely.Hmmm... anything here not apply to the Divine Reach or Arcane Reach ability?  If not, then the ability is effectly adding an "effect:ray" and replacing range "touch" with range: 30' (or 60') to the spell.  The ability does not say that it does that, but it sure looks like it.  This leaves one to decide if it really is a ray or something strange and new - a ranged touch that is not a ray.  I think you could go either way - it should have been made clear in the language itself.This means it's all down to intent, once again.  We've both stated our positions, now Mr./Ms./Mrs. DM, whoever you are, decide how you'd like to run it.I'll certainly be asking my DM.  Chaining a Heal spell is pretty darn cool - but it just does not seem right.</blockquote>

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