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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3137088" data-attributes="member: 22424">Wouldn't happen in my game. In-game, characters don't talk about levels, alignments, or classes (at least in those terms). I did have one campaign featuring an organisation called the Paladins, but they generally weren't members of that class.Still, do go on...No. If a DM at any table I was playing ruled otherwise, I would advise him not to be sto ridiculous. If he did not reconsider, I would walk.Now, the reasons it's a &quot;no&quot;:Firstly, the Paladin only loses his powers for &quot;grossly violating the code&quot;, committing an Evil act, or ceasing to be LG. None of those apply - if the code was even violated, it was in an extremely minor way.Secondly, the &quot;not lying&quot; clause is listed under &quot;respects legitimate authority&quot; in the SRD. (It might be placed differently in the PHB, IDHTBIFOM.) The authorities in the Evil Overlord's City fail the &quot;legitimate&quot; test, and so need not be respected. So, by lying, Dudley hasn't even broken the code.Thirdly, the entry test for the Paladin class does not include the restriction &quot;must have the intelligence of a squashed cabbage&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3137088, member: 22424"] Wouldn't happen in my game. In-game, characters don't talk about levels, alignments, or classes (at least in those terms). I did have one campaign featuring an organisation called the Paladins, but they generally weren't members of that class. Still, do go on... No. If a DM at any table I was playing ruled otherwise, I would advise him not to be sto ridiculous. If he did not reconsider, I would walk. Now, the reasons it's a "no": Firstly, the Paladin only loses his powers for "grossly violating the code", committing an Evil act, or ceasing to be LG. None of those apply - if the code was even violated, it was in an extremely minor way. Secondly, the "not lying" clause is listed under "respects legitimate authority" in the SRD. (It might be placed differently in the PHB, IDHTBIFOM.) The authorities in the Evil Overlord's City fail the "legitimate" test, and so need not be respected. So, by lying, Dudley hasn't even broken the code. Thirdly, the entry test for the Paladin class does not include the restriction "must have the intelligence of a squashed cabbage". [/QUOTE]

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