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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3137273" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>I agree entirely with all of this except the second sentence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never argued that the code did not apply - I argued that the code had not been broken. There's a crucial difference there.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps. Or it will warn the BBEG that the paladin is coming, give him time to reinforce, and turn a slight chance into a hopeless situation. Remember that force of arms could not have prevailed to take the One Ring to Mount Doom - it had to be done by a hobbit sneaking by unnoticed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm familiar with those stories. I'm not going to comment much (because of the 'no religion' rule), but allow me to point you to another Biblical story - the story of Ehud and Eglon (Judges), in which the servant of a deity made use of stealth to assassinate an enemy king.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, it should perhaps be borne in mind that not all Paladins are Jewish <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You assume that the evil overlord rules a subjugated populace by tyranny and fear. It's entirely possible that the evil overlord has brought unprecedented prosperity to his people, and is not only admired but loved.</p><p></p><p>It is also entirely possible that the party is under pressure of time in their actions, and simply can't go through the long process of inciting revolt against the evil overlord.</p><p></p><p>(Of course, the party should also probably not be walking in through the front gate - sneak in over or through the walls, through the sewer systems, or simply via teleportation. But, dealing with the case as given...)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As a DM, I give my players no such guarantee. If the paladin in question, in the situation as given, doesn't lie, he is arrested and executed. Of course, the party would have had plenty of choices leading up to that point, so should never have been in that situation, but I'm not sure that's particularly relevant at this stage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3137273, member: 22424"] I agree entirely with all of this except the second sentence. I never argued that the code did not apply - I argued that the code had not been broken. There's a crucial difference there. Perhaps. Or it will warn the BBEG that the paladin is coming, give him time to reinforce, and turn a slight chance into a hopeless situation. Remember that force of arms could not have prevailed to take the One Ring to Mount Doom - it had to be done by a hobbit sneaking by unnoticed. I'm familiar with those stories. I'm not going to comment much (because of the 'no religion' rule), but allow me to point you to another Biblical story - the story of Ehud and Eglon (Judges), in which the servant of a deity made use of stealth to assassinate an enemy king. Additionally, it should perhaps be borne in mind that not all Paladins are Jewish :) You assume that the evil overlord rules a subjugated populace by tyranny and fear. It's entirely possible that the evil overlord has brought unprecedented prosperity to his people, and is not only admired but loved. It is also entirely possible that the party is under pressure of time in their actions, and simply can't go through the long process of inciting revolt against the evil overlord. (Of course, the party should also probably not be walking in through the front gate - sneak in over or through the walls, through the sewer systems, or simply via teleportation. But, dealing with the case as given...) As a DM, I give my players no such guarantee. If the paladin in question, in the situation as given, doesn't lie, he is arrested and executed. Of course, the party would have had plenty of choices leading up to that point, so should never have been in that situation, but I'm not sure that's particularly relevant at this stage. [/QUOTE]
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