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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 3138424" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>No, unless they have entered the keep for a nefarious purpose, which would be an alignment violation in itself. I would assume paladins lie all the time, just in a very lawful manner, like Jedi. </p><p></p><p>They would lie:</p><p>- to protect the weak</p><p>- to avoid harming someone</p><p>- to fulfill their obligations</p><p>- to battle evil</p><p>- to provide succor to someone in need</p><p>- because it is convenient and harms no one</p><p></p><p>They would not lie:</p><p>- as a breach of personal trust</p><p>- to exploit someone</p><p>- to gain an advantage over a person who intends no evil</p><p>- to avoid fulfilling some kind of obligation</p><p>- to serve evil</p><p>- to succor the wicked</p><p>- because it is convenient, although it harms someone</p><p></p><p>"His word speaks only truth" simply means a knight is not an oath-breaker or a untrustworthy person. It does not preclude stating something that is factually incorrent. Someone's "word" is their trutworthiness, and "truth" is derived from <em>troth</em>, which is an oath or something trusted in (like betrothed, promised to be married). </p><p></p><p>Generally speaking, there is nothing to preclude a paladin from lying to enter an evil overlord's stronghold, provided he is there for an innocent purpose, and does not intend harm to people who wish him no harm, and has not sworn not to do so.</p><p></p><p>If not sneaking into someone's keep to kill them is a custom of the land, which it is most places, and the evil overlord observes the custom, then the paladin would have a special burden to show his decision is the best or only practical way to perform his duty to uphold good. Most likely, this is going to result in an alignment warning on the Lawful axis, but apart from any other violations, is probably not enough to warrant an immediate alignment shift.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 3138424, member: 15538"] No, unless they have entered the keep for a nefarious purpose, which would be an alignment violation in itself. I would assume paladins lie all the time, just in a very lawful manner, like Jedi. They would lie: - to protect the weak - to avoid harming someone - to fulfill their obligations - to battle evil - to provide succor to someone in need - because it is convenient and harms no one They would not lie: - as a breach of personal trust - to exploit someone - to gain an advantage over a person who intends no evil - to avoid fulfilling some kind of obligation - to serve evil - to succor the wicked - because it is convenient, although it harms someone "His word speaks only truth" simply means a knight is not an oath-breaker or a untrustworthy person. It does not preclude stating something that is factually incorrent. Someone's "word" is their trutworthiness, and "truth" is derived from [i]troth[/i], which is an oath or something trusted in (like betrothed, promised to be married). Generally speaking, there is nothing to preclude a paladin from lying to enter an evil overlord's stronghold, provided he is there for an innocent purpose, and does not intend harm to people who wish him no harm, and has not sworn not to do so. If not sneaking into someone's keep to kill them is a custom of the land, which it is most places, and the evil overlord observes the custom, then the paladin would have a special burden to show his decision is the best or only practical way to perform his duty to uphold good. Most likely, this is going to result in an alignment warning on the Lawful axis, but apart from any other violations, is probably not enough to warrant an immediate alignment shift. [/QUOTE]
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